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Philip J. Koenig <See_email_@ddress_below.This_one_is.invalid> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a8bb5b48ab91b9598a3f6@corp.supernews.com>...
> In article <181e352f.0402042306.7387eb6c@posting.google.com>, kamalp@acm.org (Kamal 
> R. Prasad) writes...
> > "Old Enough to Know Better" <SpamSucks@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:<jMiUb.135023$f97.29635@fe3.columbus.rr.com>...
> > > "DontOutsourceMe" <dontoutsourcemyjob@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6f37046c.0402021822.27225c74@posting.google.com...
> > > > Flavius Vespasianus <nl@nl.com> wrote in message
>  news:<asATb.9856$uM2.342@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > > > > Joe Cipale <joec@aracnet.com> wrote in
> > > > > news:401D492E.40A861E3@aracnet.com:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can you imagine some foreing coder developing a piece of code to
> > > > > > control an air defense or missile launcher? Can you imagine said piece
> > > > > > of code being compromised? What would the ramifications be? Firing on
> > > > > > our own troops? Disabling the launch codes? a virus/security
> > > > > > vulernability that leaves a system open for cyber-attack?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The possibilities are endless, IMO.
> > > > >
> > > > > The White House e-mail system was offshored.
> > > 
> > > I hope you aren't serious! If so can you provide proof?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > So whats the problem??  Anything and Everything can be offshored to
> > > > India and things will be just fine!!
> > > 
> > > I hope you aren't serious!
> > > Technical issues aside everything would not be "fine".
> > > First US taxpayer money should not be used for offshoring of  government IT
> > > systems *ever*.
> > > If you can't see the security issue here then I have some beachfront
> > > property in Oklahoma I like to talk to you about.
> > 
> > During the boom period of 1997-2001, there was a tremendous shortage
> > of IT professionals to execute govt. contracts. Lots of Indians were
> > hired esp in the DC area for govt. contractual work. When the economy
> > tanked, the BCIS came up with a security problem so that no
> > non-citizens would be employed. the workers were laid off, and
> > american replacements were trained. I understand your security and
> > economic concerns. But shouldn't this be disclosed upfront to the
> > job-seeker? BTW -are non-US citizens guaranteed to pose a security
> > threat? Was Tmothy McVeigh not a US citizen?
> > 
> > regards
> > -kamal
> 
> 
> I don't think it's the workers - per se - that are the security 
> threat.  There are various problems with such things as oversight, 
> geography, management, and differences in legal situations in 
> different countries that can make it easier for security breaches 
> to happen.
> 

Security breaches as in access to classified information, is a small
set of jobs which are/were already off-limtis to individuals without a
security clearance, for which you need to be a citizen. The BCIS made
a generic rule of thumb that anything to do with the govt meant that
foreign citizens were a security hazard. Its more to do with
hypothesizing without concrete evidence than a genuine security threat
that such jobs didn't require a security clearance till the BCIS
decided they do.

> If a US citizen is accused of espionage or treason, I would think 
> it would be a lot easier to prosecute them than the citizen of 
> another country if that country decides not to be cooperative -- ie 
> refuses to extradite the suspect, or constrains the prosecution
> in some other way.  For example in Europe they often refuse to 
> extradite an individual if they face the death penalty, since it 
> is an outlawed form of punishment in the EU.

Yes -that is true. But once a person leaves India and is working in
the US, he is automatically govedrned by US Federal & State law. The
immunity if any, will apply once the person returns to India. In
general, if the country is a well-established democratic country, you
need prime-facia evidence to extadite, and that probably gives
them[neo-cons] good reason not to let foreigners do sensitive jobs:-).

regards
-kamal