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supreme4007 <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<40228F8F.8184A099@peoplepc.com>...
> You must note that there is not a peep about all the
> people being shuttled now as well as for years and years
> by so many many other European and other countries
> on all kinds of jobs and visas, etc. It is only recently
> that India even got involved in any offshoring activites.
> Others have been doing it for years and years. Yet,
> not a complaint about all these Europeans !
> 
That is because:- 
(a) Europe has a small population that cannot suck in a lot of jobs,
(b) the cost savings in offshoring work to EU is not much -better
parity between currencies
(c) They have their own industry which employs americans too
[quid-pro-quo]
(d) Some (not all) of it is racial as you claim
 
> This is political  baiting of India and India-ns, especially
> made for the election year in the US. The climate of
> anti-India and anti-Indian hatred has been building
> with active participation by hateful journalists for a

The raking of issues is usually done by politicians during an election
yr.
But the raking here is done by people who have genuinely lost jobs
[either because of the recession or because an Indian bodyshop offers
them cheaper manpower or an offshore co offers still cheaper
services].

> long long period of time. Ever since they saw a lot
> of India-ns involved in high technology at the same
> time as American workers were losing jobs due to
> layoffs and the vicious climate of high technology.
> 

The monopoly of americans on hi-tech work has been more or less
broken,
and there will be very few jobs that need to be done in a first world
country.
If there are such jobs, they will have to be done in the US  because
of infrastructure or political issues but not because of
unavailability of skilled manpower. So, americans need to think of
other things besides skill improvement to compete for jobs
effectively.

[snip]
> 
> 
> Your Friend wrote:
> 
> > http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/feb/05us1.htm
> >
> > L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge
> >
> > February 05, 2004 20:40 IST
> >
> > Infosys and Wipro, the country's two leading software companies, on
> > Thursday denied the allegation that they have been abusing the United
> > States' L-1 visa regulations.
> >
They have not been abusing the law -from a lawyer's perspective.

> > "Infosys fully complies with visa statutes and regulations in letter
> > and in spirit. Infosys adheres to this regulation and does not
> > differentiate between H1-B and L-1 pay scales, although not legally
> > mandated," Infosys CEO and managing director Nandan M Nilekani said in
> > a statement.
> >

Infosys  business model is to execute projects not supply manpower.
L-1 to execute overseas projects may or may not require working on
customer premises, but supplying manpower does. Besides, Infosys is a
Nasdaq listed company and some of its employees are *rich* by american
standards.

> > A Wipro spokeswoman said the question of abusing any type of visa
> > regulation did not arise and the company complied with the
> > requirements of the visa laws.
> >
> > "We believe that we are in total compliance with the requirements of
> > visa laws. The question of their abuse does not arise," he told PTI.
> >

Wipro does supply manpower to its customers in the US -but not sure if
those employees are on L-1. Both Infosys and Wipro have applied for
lots of H1s for their employees without work after oct 1, 2003 -in
anticipation of a shortage of visas later on.

> > The two companies were responding to the US labour organisations'
> > allegation that Indian firms, namely Infosys, Wipro, TCS, had been
> > acting as "bodyshops", sending Indian workers to the US through the
> > L-1 system and then subcontracting them out to other businesses.
> >
TCS does have a sub-standard payscale.

> > Infosys said L-1 visa regulations stipulated that only employees with
> > specialised knowledge or holding managerial or executive positions
> > could file an application.
> >
> > "Most of our employees stay in the US for the duration of the project,
> > which is typically one to two years, and return to the home country,"
> > Nilekani said.
> >
True. Their employees don't jump because of the options.

> > Infosys continues to work with governments and consulates of the
> > countries in which it operates in order to ensure that it fully
> > understands and correctly interprets the immigration regulations, the
> > statement said.
> >
> > Michael W Gildea, executive director of the Department of Professional
> > Employees, AFL-CIO, US's largest labour federation, addressing the
> > House International Relations
> >
> > Committee on Wednesday, accused Indian IT firms such as TCS, Infosys
> > and Wipro of "abusing" the L-1 visa programme to bring in cheap
> > manpower to take over American jobs.

So what is stopping the govt from putting a floor on salary of L-1
visa holders?

regards
-kamal