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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

:>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss 
:>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.

:>So, what do the Amish do?

:>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own 
:>injured and dead and bereft. 

:>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.

So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go and shoot
at the Amish and get his family taken care of.

Re-enforcing bad behavior.

"Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".

-- 
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.

Please don't cross-post to the frugal living group.

"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>
> :>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss
> :>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
>
> :>So, what do the Amish do?
>
> :>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own
> :>injured and dead and bereft.
>
> :>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
>
> So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go and 
> shoot
> at the Amish and get his family taken care of.
>
> Re-enforcing bad behavior.
>
> "Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".
>
> -- 
> Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
> http://www.dissensoftware.com
>
> Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
> you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.
>
> I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
> especially those from irresponsible companies. 

In article <6akni21clplgijke2uklaqnbvuamvi6ofi@4ax.com>,
 Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
> 
> :>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss 
> :>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
> 
> :>So, what do the Amish do?
> 
> :>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own 
> :>injured and dead and bereft. 
> 
> :>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
> 
> So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go and shoot
> at the Amish and get his family taken care of.
> 
> Re-enforcing bad behavior.

Um, dude? The guy is dead. Reinforce away.

Oh, wait. You mean reinforcing all those other psycho killers lurking in 
the shadows, watching and waiting for their opportunity to kill a bunch 
of little girls in a schoolhouse and then commit suicide. 

I see your point.

> 
> "Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".

Yeah, you may be right: victims helping an innocent widow and her baby 
is just bad on general free-market-economic carrot/stick "principles". 
By combining her loss with their own, those Amish are just asking for it.

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

<nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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>
>
> Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go to
> greedy doctors.

When you've gone through 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school,
a year as an intern (at over 100 hours of duty a week), a couple of years
residency, and hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans
to finance more than a decade of education -- and when your professional
liability/malpractice premiums alone are over $10K a month -- when you've
done all that ...

...

Come back and tell us again how "greedy" doctors are.

Moron. 

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:30:49 -0500, bearclaw@cruller.invalid graced
this newsgroup with:

>In article <6akni21clplgijke2uklaqnbvuamvi6ofi@4ax.com>,
> Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>> 
>> :>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss 
>> :>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
>> 
>> :>So, what do the Amish do?
>> 
>> :>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own 
>> :>injured and dead and bereft. 
>> 
>> :>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
>> 
>> So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go and shoot
>> at the Amish and get his family taken care of.
>> 
>> Re-enforcing bad behavior.
>
>Um, dude? The guy is dead. Reinforce away.
>
>Oh, wait. You mean reinforcing all those other psycho killers lurking in 
>the shadows, watching and waiting for their opportunity to kill a bunch 
>of little girls in a schoolhouse and then commit suicide. 
>
>I see your point.
>
>> 
>> "Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".
>
>Yeah, you may be right: victims helping an innocent widow and her baby 
>is just bad on general free-market-economic carrot/stick "principles". 
>By combining her loss with their own, those Amish are just asking for it.


now now...you're just egging the idiot on. ;-)

My hats off to the Amish families.  They're the epitome of what being
a true Christian is all about.

Sgt.Sausage wrote:
> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message 
> news:9thni2lukn288pvd99ovg3ofbm6fk4hj29@4ax.com...
>>
>> Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go to
>> greedy doctors.
> 
> When you've gone through 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school,
> a year as an intern (at over 100 hours of duty a week), a couple of years
> residency, and hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans
> to finance more than a decade of education -- and when your professional
> liability/malpractice premiums alone are over $10K a month -- when you've
> done all that ...
> 
> ...
> 
> Come back and tell us again how "greedy" doctors are.
> 
> Moron. 
> 
> 
In my area, if you couldn't bring in 7 figures, as a doctor, the seconcd 
year, you were considered a failure.
They pay out a lot, in money, but not in as much in percentage, of 
income, as we are led to believe.

Sgt.Sausage wrote:
> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:9thni2lukn288pvd99ovg3ofbm6fk4hj29@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> > Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go to
> > greedy doctors.
>
> When you've gone through 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school,
> a year as an intern (at over 100 hours of duty a week), a couple of years
> residency, and hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans
> to finance more than a decade of education

true, but my doctor cousin paid it back in two years and the third year
she bought a 6400 square foot house, that was 10 years ago, now she
doesn't know what to do with the money, she bought and sold several
fast food franchises, part of a mall, a lake house, and moves every 15
months to a different neighborhood, she just married another surgeon,
that should be interesting....

I have it on good authority that on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss 
>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
>
>So, what do the Amish do?
>
>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own 
>injured and dead and bereft. 
>
>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.

	It's part of what the Amish are.  They place a high value on
forgiveness.  I've not spoken with anyone involved in the matter, of
course, but I'm sure each and every family member has forgiven Charles
Roberts.  And even if any of them hasn't yet, I'm confident not a one
of them feels any animosity towards his family.

>
><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR200610
>1000123.html>
>
>or
>
><http://tinyurl.com/hsax8>
-- 
Kent
Aibohphobia: The fear of palindromes

In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
 Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:

> 	It's part of what the Amish are

True Christians, IMHO.

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

In article <bajoi2doa6o098afcphe2gavsp4tnkhufl@4ax.com>,
 amstaffs@home.com wrote:

> My hats off to the Amish families.  They're the epitome of what being
> a true Christian is all about.

My prayer? May we all take a lesson from their awesome example.

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

john wrote:
> > In my area, if you couldn't bring in 7 figures, as a doctor, the seconcd
> year, you were considered a failure.
> They pay out a lot, in money, but not in as much in percentage, of
> income, as we are led to believe.

As a GP or as a specialist?

Viv

How 'bout just good people. Screw that Christian shit.

<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
news:bearclaw-BFC9C1.22594610102006@news.supernews.com...
> In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
>  Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's part of what the Amish are
>
> True Christians, IMHO.
>
> -- 
> "I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
>  Stompin' out rhythms
>  'till the headstones dance on their graves"

In article <pk_Wg.2342$HP.2278@trndny08>,
 "Question Quigley" <Quigley@limerick.ie> wrote:

> How 'bout just good people. Screw that Christian shit.

Sure, that's fine too.

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

amstaffs@home.com wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:30:49 -0500, bearclaw@cruller.invalid graced
> this newsgroup with:
>
>> In article <6akni21clplgijke2uklaqnbvuamvi6ofi@4ax.com>,
>> Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic
>>>>> loss of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
>>>
>>>>> So, what do the Amish do?
>>>
>>>>> They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their
>>>>> own injured and dead and bereft.
>>>
>>>>> People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
>>>
>>> So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go
>>> and shoot at the Amish and get his family taken care of.
>>>
>>> Re-enforcing bad behavior.
>>
>> Um, dude? The guy is dead. Reinforce away.
>>
>> Oh, wait. You mean reinforcing all those other psycho killers
>> lurking in the shadows, watching and waiting for their opportunity
>> to kill a bunch of little girls in a schoolhouse and then commit
>> suicide.
>>
>> I see your point.
>>
>>>
>>> "Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".
>>
>> Yeah, you may be right: victims helping an innocent widow and her
>> baby is just bad on general free-market-economic carrot/stick
>> "principles". By combining her loss with their own, those Amish are
>> just asking for it.
>
>
> now now...you're just egging the idiot on. ;-)

> My hats off to the Amish families.

Only on that stuff.

> They're the epitome of what being a true Christian is all about.

Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys anymore. 

<bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Sgt.Sausage wrote:
>> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:9thni2lukn288pvd99ovg3ofbm6fk4hj29@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go 
>> > to
>> > greedy doctors.
>>
>> When you've gone through 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school,
>> a year as an intern (at over 100 hours of duty a week), a couple of years
>> residency, and hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans
>> to finance more than a decade of education
>
> true, but my doctor cousin paid it back in two years and the third year
> she bought a 6400 square foot house,

Remember ... there was an extra 12 years or so *before* your
above-mentioned two or three years. Don't minimize it. It took
fifteen  years of impossibly difficult (for the mere mortal) effort
to get to where your cousin was. Not two or three years.
Fifteen.

Y'all folks don't even know ... 12 to 15 years ...*before* you
even get an "entry level position" and start to see a return on your
investment? Most of you folks are on your second or third career
by then.

Again, my original statement stands: Try it first. When you're
successful at it, and you're a Doc with your own practice ...
in another 12 or 15 years ... come back and tell us again
how "greedy" doctors are.

Y'all call it "greedy" when the money goes to a Doc. Someone
who's dedicated their lives to looking up your asses for polyps
to SaveYourLife(tm).

And, yet, folks like you continue to buy lotto tickets, on the off
chance that a metric assload of money will fall into your laps.

Who's greedy? The one willing to work for it. The one to dedicate
year after year after year -- just for the chance to get started -- the
one to put up with several hundred thousand dollars in up-front
expense, and daily exposure to multi-million dollar lawsuits? The
one who opens a *business* that gainfully employs staff, and
buys products/services from other businesses?

OR

You dumb fucks who pump money into the various lotto scams.

Who's greedier?

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:49:05 -0400 amstaffs@home.com wrote:

:>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:30:49 -0500, bearclaw@cruller.invalid graced
:>this newsgroup with:

:>>In article <6akni21clplgijke2uklaqnbvuamvi6ofi@4ax.com>,
:>> Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

:>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
 
:>>> :>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss 
:>>> :>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
 
:>>> :>So, what do the Amish do?
 
:>>> :>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own 
:>>> :>injured and dead and bereft. 
 
:>>> :>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
 
:>>> So the next time someone sees his family needs help, he can just go and shoot
:>>> at the Amish and get his family taken care of.
 
:>>> Re-enforcing bad behavior.

:>>Um, dude? The guy is dead. Reinforce away.

Like when Israel rewards arab terrorism with land it breeds more terrorism.

Like when the Europeans reward terrorism with regime changes it breeds more
terrorism.

:>>Oh, wait. You mean reinforcing all those other psycho killers lurking in 
:>>the shadows, watching and waiting for their opportunity to kill a bunch 
:>>of little girls in a schoolhouse and then commit suicide. 

:>>I see your point.

You mean that the Amish would not have done the same even if he DIDN'T commit
suicide.
 
:>>> "Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".

:>>Yeah, you may be right: victims helping an innocent widow and her baby 
:>>is just bad on general free-market-economic carrot/stick "principles". 
:>>By combining her loss with their own, those Amish are just asking for it.

:>now now...you're just egging the idiot on. ;-)

:>My hats off to the Amish families.  They're the epitome of what being
:>a true Christian is all about.

Pity your "true Xians" were not like that when you folk were murdering the
Jews in the millions in your various crusades and pogroms.

Thanks for making my point above.

-- 
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.

"ms_peacock" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote in message 
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:4p3h6kFghe7iU1@individual.net...
>
>> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys 
>> anymore.
>
> It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how 
> willing you are to display it in public.

yep.  i've been stuck behind enough horse and buggies.   that area is full 
of 'em.   ever seen a horse and buggy pulled up at a drive-thru bank window? 
or tethered outside your local kmart? 

"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message 
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snip
>
> Pity your "true Xians" were not like that when you folk were murdering the
> Jews in the millions in your various crusades and pogroms.
>
> Thanks for making my point above.
>
> -- 
> Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>

never confuse true christians with pretenders.
> 

"john" <@global.net> wrote in message news:d1ZWg.62$aA7.34@newsfe03.lga...
> Sgt.Sausage wrote:
>> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message 
>> news:9thni2lukn288pvd99ovg3ofbm6fk4hj29@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go 
>>> to
>>> greedy doctors.

that's mainly what the amish accts were set up for: to pay the medical 
bills.  blue cross is donating 500K.

the money for the roberts family is to help them since they no longer have 
his income. 

"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>I have it on good authority that on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:38 -0500,
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>
>>Unsolicited gifts to the Amish community that suffered the tragic loss
>>of its children have approached $700,000 in value.
>>
>>So, what do the Amish do?
>>
>>They set up a fund for the gunman's family as well as for their own
>>injured and dead and bereft.
>>
>>People just don't come any classier or more worthy of respect.
>
> It's part of what the Amish are.  They place a high value on
> forgiveness.  I've not spoken with anyone involved in the matter, of
> course, but I'm sure each and every family member has forgiven Charles
> Roberts.  And even if any of them hasn't yet, I'm confident not a one
> of them feels any animosity towards his family.

they've forgiven him, visited his widow, gone to his funeral, and invited 
her to their funerals. 

<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message 
news:bearclaw-BFC9C1.22594610102006@news.supernews.com...
> In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
> Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's part of what the Amish are
>
> True Christians, IMHO.

as a group religion, probably the only true christian group in the country. 
name me another group that would act the same.
>
> -- 
> "I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
> Stompin' out rhythms
> 'till the headstones dance on their graves" 

"Question Quigley" <Quigley@limerick.ie> wrote in message 
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> How 'bout just good people. Screw that Christian shit.

because they are professing christians.   the good part comes out of it.
>
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bearclaw-BFC9C1.22594610102006@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
>>  Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's part of what the Amish are
>>
>> True Christians, IMHO.
>>
>> -- 
>> "I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
>>  Stompin' out rhythms
>>  'till the headstones dance on their graves"
>
> 

ms_peacock wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:4p3h6kFghe7iU1@individual.net...
> 
>> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys 
>> anymore.
> 
> It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how willing 
> you are to display it in public.
> 
> Ms P 
> 
> 

Its what happens when someone decides they are an expert and have never 
seen the subject matter in person. I live only a few hours from 
Lancaster County, have relatives there and every time I visit there are 
plenty of horse drawn carriages to be seen.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys 
> anymore.

It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how willing 
you are to display it in public.

Ms P 

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "ms_peacock" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote in message
> news:4p4ck5FgtkkuU1@individual.net...
> >
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4p3h6kFghe7iU1@individual.net...
> >
> >> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys
> >> anymore.
> >
> > It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how
> > willing you are to display it in public.
>
> yep.  i've been stuck behind enough horse and buggies.   that area is full
> of 'em.   ever seen a horse and buggy pulled up at a drive-thru bank window?
> or tethered outside your local kmart?

Same thing in the Old Order Mennonite area of SW Ontario. We have buggy
barns at Home Depot, grocery stores, and Staples. We have incongruities
such as computers (they can have them in the barn to control milking
parlours, for example) being loaded on buggies, and women in bonnets
talking on cell phones.  

Viv

In article <q59pi21a95919525tf5ag70hc88um01si1@4ax.com>,
 Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

> Pity your "true Xians" were not like that when you folk were murdering the
> Jews in the millions in your various crusades and pogroms.

The Amish did that? I'm shocked. Shocked!

You know, I hear your bitterness. I'm not sure I understand it or its 
source. But I think you are directing it the wrong way.

You remember when that little boy was murdered in Italy while on holiday 
with his American parents a few years ago? They donated his organs so 
that Italian children could live. It was yet another startling display 
of generosity of spirit in the center of chaos and tragedy. It flies in 
the face of unthinking evil and immeasurable pain, driving it away. I 
don't know about you, but I see nothing to fault, and everything to 
praise.

I personally wish my spirit was more like the Amish. I don't know that I 
am strong enough to do what they do. But as blind and stupid and weak as 
I can be, even I can see that their path of forgiveness and generosity 
is the most direct road to peace.

It is an inspiration. What's sad is that it is so rare.

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

George wrote:
> ms_peacock wrote:
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4p3h6kFghe7iU1@individual.net...
> >
> >> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys
> >> anymore.
> >
> > It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how willing
> > you are to display it in public.
> >
> > Ms P
> >
> >
>
> Its what happens when someone decides they are an expert and have never
> seen the subject matter in person. I live only a few hours from
> Lancaster County, have relatives there and every time I visit there are
> plenty of horse drawn carriages to be seen.

Or when they are so busy thinking of ignorant comments to interesting
replies that they never bother to read the replies and learn from them.
It's a downward spiral of stupidity.

Someone I know saw an Amish buggy in Tennessee this summer and said she
didn't realize there were Amish there. I said I thought maybe they were
from PA and the Dad decided to take the family to Disney World.

Viv

Viv

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:27:17 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

:>In article <q59pi21a95919525tf5ag70hc88um01si1@4ax.com>,
:> Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

:>> Pity your "true Xians" were not like that when you folk were murdering the
:>> Jews in the millions in your various crusades and pogroms.

:>The Amish did that? I'm shocked. Shocked!

Part of the Xian family.

:>You know, I hear your bitterness. I'm not sure I understand it or its 
:>source. But I think you are directing it the wrong way.

You fail to understand how the "Xian kindness" shown thru the centuries to the
Jews might make me bitter?

:>You remember when that little boy was murdered in Italy while on holiday 
:>with his American parents a few years ago? They donated his organs so 
:>that Italian children could live. It was yet another startling display 
:>of generosity of spirit in the center of chaos and tragedy. It flies in 
:>the face of unthinking evil and immeasurable pain, driving it away. I 
:>don't know about you, but I see nothing to fault, and everything to 
:>praise.

Unless, of course, they gave the organs to the family of the murderer.

Nothing wrong with giving the organs to someone unrelated to the crime.

:>I personally wish my spirit was more like the Amish. I don't know that I 
:>am strong enough to do what they do. But as blind and stupid and weak as 
:>I can be, even I can see that their path of forgiveness and generosity 
:>is the most direct road to peace.

:>It is an inspiration. What's sad is that it is so rare.

From my experience, rewarding terrorism and murder just generates more.

-- 
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"New Leaf" <nootka@rogers.com> wrote in message 
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>
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "ms_peacock" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote in message
>> news:4p4ck5FgtkkuU1@individual.net...
>> >
>> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4p3h6kFghe7iU1@individual.net...
>> >
>> >> Nope, few of them are stupid enough to bother with horses and buggys
>> >> anymore.
>> >
>> > It still never ceases to amaze me just how clueless you are and how
>> > willing you are to display it in public.
>>
>> yep.  i've been stuck behind enough horse and buggies.   that area is 
>> full
>> of 'em.   ever seen a horse and buggy pulled up at a drive-thru bank 
>> window?
>> or tethered outside your local kmart?
>
> Same thing in the Old Order Mennonite area of SW Ontario. We have buggy
> barns at Home Depot, grocery stores, and Staples. We have incongruities
> such as computers (they can have them in the barn to control milking
> parlours, for example) being loaded on buggies, and women in bonnets
> talking on cell phones.

the mennonites are related to the amish.   i think a sect. 

"New Leaf" <nootka@rogers.com> wrote in message 
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snip


> Someone I know saw an Amish buggy in Tennessee this summer and said she
> didn't realize there were Amish there. I said I thought maybe they were
> from PA and the Dad decided to take the family to Disney World.

i don't think they'd travel that far in the buggy.   they vacation in 
sarasota, fl.
they use giant tricycles to get around instead of buggies. 

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "

>
> the mennonites are related to the amish.   i think a sect.

I think they have common roots. Mennonites in Canada have two main
groups. One is from Switzerland, and has been in Canada for over 100
years. They live mostly in southern Ontario. Ironically, considering
how long they've been in North America, they are the ones who are most
like the Amish, and many either drive horse and buggy or black cars
with no chrome. The ones who came over in the early 1900s are from
Russia, and although they tend to be more conservative than the average
person, they look and act like modern people. There are large Mennonite
communities integrated into Western Canada.

Viv

In article <aqgqi25bhkuhclik3ncik75hrrbrbpp1hu@4ax.com>,
 Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:27:17 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

<snip>

> You fail to understand how the "Xian kindness" shown thru the 
> centuries to the Jews might make me bitter?

I would probably understand better if it increased your determination 
to keep it from happening to anyone ever again. But yes, I fail to see 
how dehumanizing any specific group (including Jews) resolves the past 
or improves the future. Especially hard for me to grasp is when the 
dehumanizing impulse is brought about by the exemplification of the 
very best in human nature; that compassion and mercy which sets 
humanity apart from animals.

It seems more logical that seeing that in others would give purpose and 
foundation to your revulsion at what has happened to the Jews (and 
others as well, and continues to this day). 

Instead, it seems to aggravate you to descend to the very mindset you 
obviously deplore. I really don't mean to offend you or anyone else by 
saying that. It is just how it appears to me in this medium.

> :>You remember when that little boy was murdered in Italy while on 
> :>holiday with his American parents a few years ago? They donated his 
> :>organs so that Italian children could live. It was yet another 
> :>startling display of generosity of spirit in the center of chaos 
> :>and tragedy. It flies in the face of unthinking evil and 
> :>immeasurable pain, driving it away. I don't know about you, but I 
> :>see nothing to fault, and everything to praise.
> 
> Unless, of course, they gave the organs to the family of the 
> murderer.

They did it without any knowledge or choice about who received their 
son's organs.

<snip>

> From my experience, rewarding terrorism and murder just generates 
> more.

The wife and child committed no crime. They are not terrorists nor 
murderers. Quite the contrary. They neither conspired nor abetted. Why 
should they suffer for his deed?

-- 
"I wear boots when I play that ol' squeezebox
 Stompin' out rhythms
 'till the headstones dance on their graves"

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:59:28 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

:>In article <aqgqi25bhkuhclik3ncik75hrrbrbpp1hu@4ax.com>,
:> Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

:>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:27:17 -0500 bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

:>> You fail to understand how the "Xian kindness" shown thru the 
:>> centuries to the Jews might make me bitter?

:>I would probably understand better if it increased your determination 
:>to keep it from happening to anyone ever again. But yes, I fail to see 
:>how dehumanizing any specific group (including Jews) resolves the past 
:>or improves the future. Especially hard for me to grasp is when the 
:>dehumanizing impulse is brought about by the exemplification of the 
:>very best in human nature; that compassion and mercy which sets 
:>humanity apart from animals.

To repeat:

"Those that are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind".

:>It seems more logical that seeing that in others would give purpose and 
:>foundation to your revulsion at what has happened to the Jews (and 
:>others as well, and continues to this day). 

:>Instead, it seems to aggravate you to descend to the very mindset you 
:>obviously deplore. I really don't mean to offend you or anyone else by 
:>saying that. It is just how it appears to me in this medium.

Rewarding evil generates more evil.

:>> :>You remember when that little boy was murdered in Italy while on 
:>> :>holiday with his American parents a few years ago? They donated his 
:>> :>organs so that Italian children could live. It was yet another 
:>> :>startling display of generosity of spirit in the center of chaos 
:>> :>and tragedy. It flies in the face of unthinking evil and 
:>> :>immeasurable pain, driving it away. I don't know about you, but I 
:>> :>see nothing to fault, and everything to praise.
 
:>> Unless, of course, they gave the organs to the family of the 
:>> murderer.

:>They did it without any knowledge or choice about who received their 
:>son's organs.

SO the family of the murderer did not get them.

:>> From my experience, rewarding terrorism and murder just generates 
:>> more.

:>The wife and child committed no crime. They are not terrorists nor 
:>murderers. Quite the contrary. They neither conspired nor abetted. Why 
:>should they suffer for his deed?

How does NOT rewarding them make them suffer?

Do they deserve the reward? Why?

-- 
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"New Leaf" <nootka@rogers.com> wrote in message 
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>
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "
>
>>
>> the mennonites are related to the amish.   i think a sect.
>
> I think they have common roots. Mennonites in Canada have two main
> groups. One is from Switzerland, and has been in Canada for over 100
> years. They live mostly in southern Ontario. Ironically, considering
> how long they've been in North America, they are the ones who are most
> like the Amish, and many either drive horse and buggy or black cars
> with no chrome. The ones who came over in the early 1900s are from
> Russia, and although they tend to be more conservative than the average
> person, they look and act like modern people. There are large Mennonite
> communities integrated into Western Canada.
>
> Viv

The Amish split from the Mennonites in the early 1600s.

http://www.800padutch.com/amishhistory.shtml

Ms P 

Sgt.Sausage wrote:
> <bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1160536138.815460.227070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Sgt.Sausage wrote:
> >> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9thni2lukn288pvd99ovg3ofbm6fk4hj29@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Too bad they need this money to pay for doctors.. all the money will go
> >> > to
> >> > greedy doctors.
> >>
> >> When you've gone through 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school,
> >> a year as an intern (at over 100 hours of duty a week), a couple of years
> >> residency, and hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans
> >> to finance more than a decade of education
> >
> > true, but my doctor cousin paid it back in two years and the third year
> > she bought a 6400 square foot house,
>
> Remember ... there was an extra 12 years or so *before* your
> above-mentioned two or three years. Don't minimize it. It took
> fifteen  years of impossibly difficult (for the mere mortal) effort
> to get to where your cousin was. Not two or three years.
> Fifteen.

her graduate work wasn't any more difficult then undergraduate, you
have to remember these are driven people and they don't coast through
the pre-graduate stuff like you probably did....

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:bearclaw-BFC9C1.22594610102006@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
>> Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> It's part of what the Amish are

>> True Christians, IMHO.

> as a group religion, probably the only true christian group in the country. 
> name me another group that would act the same.

Society of Friends?  Certain individual congregations in (and out of)
other groups?

   - Logan

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message 
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:bearclaw-BFC9C1.22594610102006@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
>>> Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> It's part of what the Amish are
>
>>> True Christians, IMHO.
>
>> as a group religion, probably the only true christian group in the 
>> country. name me another group that would act the same.
>
> Society of Friends?  Certain individual congregations in (and out of)
> other groups?
>
>   - Logan

i don't know anything about the friends, but i did say group (as in 
denomination, if that's what the amish consider themselves), not 
congregations.  ex: lutheran church, episcopal church, baptist church, 
catholic church, etc. 

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Question Quigley" <Quigley@limerick.ie> wrote in message 
> news:pk_Wg.2342$HP.2278@trndny08...
>> How 'bout just good people. Screw that Christian shit.
>
> because they are professing christians.   the good part comes out of it.
>>
Mebbe so, mebbe no. <Some> people are good without the need for a myth-based 
ethics system to learn it or follow it. Just observing that 'plays well with 
others' makes life easier can be enough.

aem sends... 

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message

>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>>> as a group religion, probably the only true christian group in the 
>>> country. name me another group that would act the same.

>> Society of Friends?  Certain individual congregations in (and out 
>> of)
>> other groups?

> i don't know anything about the friends, but i did say group (as in 
> denomination, if that's what the amish consider themselves), not 
> congregations.  ex: lutheran church, episcopal church, baptist 
> church, catholic church, etc.

Duh, Society of Friends *is* a church--better known as the Quakers. 

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:28:11 -0700, "cat" <catcatcat@catcatcatcat.cat>
wrote:

>"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>>> as a group religion, probably the only true christian group in the 
>>>> country. name me another group that would act the same.
>
>>> Society of Friends?  Certain individual congregations in (and out 
>>> of)
>>> other groups?
>
>> i don't know anything about the friends, but i did say group (as in 
>> denomination, if that's what the amish consider themselves), not 
>> congregations.  ex: lutheran church, episcopal church, baptist 
>> church, catholic church, etc.
>
>Duh, Society of Friends *is* a church--better known as the Quakers. 
>

Actually, it could be more accurately described as a GROUP of
churches, or a denomination.  (There's more than one group of
individuals calling themselves "Friends" who gather together for
worship.)

I have it on good authority that on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:59:46 -0500,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

>In article <o2poi25050e41m6suhj0rpt8ksdinuvm3d@4ax.com>,
> Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 	It's part of what the Amish are
>
>True Christians, IMHO.

	They're doing a better job of walking the talk than some.

-- 
Kent
Aibohphobia: The fear of palindromes

I have it on good authority that on Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:22:45 GMT,
"Question Quigley" <Quigley@limerick.ie> wrote:

>
>How 'bout just good people. Screw that Christian shit.

	The Amish are Christians, whether you like it or not.

-- 
Kent
A woman is like a tea bag - 
Only in hot water do you realize how strong she is.

I have it on good authority that on Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:30:43 GMT,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>i don't know anything about the friends

	They're better known as Quakers.

-- 
Kent
If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. 
If Daddy ain't happy, don't nobody care!

I have it on good authority that on Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:36:21 GMT,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>> It's part of what the Amish are.  They place a high value on
>> forgiveness.  I've not spoken with anyone involved in the matter, of
>> course, but I'm sure each and every family member has forgiven Charles
>> Roberts.  And even if any of them hasn't yet, I'm confident not a one
>> of them feels any animosity towards his family.
>
>they've forgiven him, visited his widow, gone to his funeral, and invited 
>her to their funerals. 

	Yep.
	When I ask myself if I could do the same, I can't honestly say
I would.  I would like to think I could be so forgiving, but I can't
say I could with certainty.

-- 
Kent

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