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Angelo wrote:

> "Joachim Froholt" <jfroholt@c2i.net> wrote in message
> news:3D37BE2F.6BA30B3D@c2i.net...
> >
> >
> > Angelo wrote:
> >
> > > "Alfred Schwarz"
> > > <Alfred.P.Schwarz@idontwantspam-kerckhoff.med.uni-giessen.de> wrote in
> > > message news:Xns924F7820DA3C2AlfredPSchwarzkerckh@134.176.2.249...
> > > > "Istv�n F�bi�n" <askme@where.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Not to mention the fact that while in the US you may consider $600 a
> > > > > week poor, in other, not so lucky parts of the world it can be a
> lot.
> > > > > This is a simple fact that is normally overlooked by US citizens.
> > > >
> > > > You mean there are US citizens that *know* that there is a world
> around
> > > > them???
> > > > I always though all the normal US dude knows about "Paris" is that it
> is
> > > > located in Texas...
> > > >
> > > > Ciao, Alfred
> > >
> > > NAH. We all know it's in that fun loving country that didn't want to
> > > extradite
> > > terrorists connected with Sept. 11th if they might face the death
> penalty
> > > in the US if convicted!
> > >
> > > Gotta love the froggies and their logic.  Create the Guillotine and
> carry
> > > out more public executions in short time then any other country then
> > > feel so guilty about it later that no person seems to deserve execution.
> > > Regardless of the crime impact.
> >
> > No human being has the right to convict another human being to death.
> Death
> > penalty is barbaric, and so is any country still practicing it.
> >
> > Joachim
>
> Said the man right before his family was killed for no other reason than
> just being there.  Lay down like sheep.  When you can come to grips
> that in humanity there are individuals your rose colored glasses cannot
> ever change nor be reconciled with maybe you will see truth
> in all it's ugliness as well as beauty.

I don't see what this have to do with anything. I certainly realize that the
world is a terrible, terrible place. Much worse than most people in the "free"
world seem to think. But what's this got to do with death penalty? "The world is
so terrible we might as well make it a little bit worse so we can feel better.."

>
> EVERY individual has the right to sentence another to death if it
> means preventing that individual from killing more.

Yes and no. If I came across some person who was trying to kill innocent people,
I might end up trying to kill or hurt him to prevent him from killing anyone
innocent. If that was the only way I could save the innocent people he was
trying to kill. But if I came across this person sitting safely behind prison
bars, I would have no reason to harm him since he wasn't dangerous anymore.

> The death penalty is NOT a damn deterrence to others it's
> a permanent prevention of THAT individual.

That individual is allready in jail. He or she can't continue killing. This is
one of the reasons we lock people up in the first place - so that they stop
being a danger to society. So killing a person in prison can't possibly be
considered self defence.

> You can philosophize all you want about life/death consequences,
> but you had better come to grips with reality that some people
> will just kill period instead of having mealy mouthed rose colored
> blinders/explanations.

And they should sit in a cell for an appropriate time.

> When the bad men come to pay you a visit do you just cry
> and lay down?  Your response has already answered that.

Killing in self defence or defense of others is "okay". I use "'es because it's
obviously never okay to take other people's lives, but sadly, there are times
where that's the best or only option available.

Joachim