🚀 go-pugleaf

> Sure there's a chance, but remember, we have liberals here too 8^)
> I give  John "Walker" Lindh pretty good odds he'll get life in prison
> watching the Cartoon Channel and Nick at Nite. Right now there's a
ROTFL. Isn't that itself punishment enough...? ;)
Anyway this is what I was referring to when I said that prisons shouldn't be
treated as holiday-camps.

> > Yes, it's an extremely nasty crime that was commited, and obviously
> > they should face very severe punishment,
Yes, they SHOULD. But not their country and innocent people.

> Is this the part where I'm told I deserve it because I'm an Evil
> American? Is this where I'm told I have to pay the "Sins of the
> Fathers" and world suffering is my fault? World hunger, Aids, plague,
> disease, famine, drought, there all my fault because I'm an American
> and I was asking for it eventually because I ignored the plights of
> others.
>
> I can take it, I'm used to it. I hear it all the time. Lay it on I
> deserve it. I've heard it all before and just accept it now. It's
> something my children will unfortunately have to endure as well,
> through no fault of their own.
No, you are not the one to blame. In fact the large majority of US citizens
are not to blame. Just like peasants in Afghanistan are not to blame. Most
people do not have control over what "their" countries do, or why. It is
always certain groups, political forces, economic lobbies, traders etc.,
basically groups with specific interest economic or otherwise are to blame
for the most horrible crimes committed, yet in the public politics this fact
is always simplified to blaming a country for whatever.

> And what is France, or the rest of the world doing about it? What
> should you do? What should we do? What should we have done? Does it
> evem natter? Why is "Western Civilization" both at fault for "Unwanted
> Interference" and "Not doing anything" *at the same time*? Why is it
> not Russia's fault? Englands? China?
Actually *this* time it's the direct consequence of "high-politics" of the
US, the result of incompetent and short-sighted decisions, that can't be
amended by now, but other times it was pretty much any other country you can
name...!
A very good fiction novel is Replay by Ken Grimwood, that is not directly
related, but raises certain very interesting points on "what if". Highly
recommended.

>
> "Look, people are suffering and America isn't doing anything" ...As the
> *world* does nothing either! It's America's fault.
>
> "Look, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and America is interfering!" You can't be
> American and win, any way anything turns out it's either our fault for
> doing something, or NOT doing it.
It was a strictly economic interest to protect Kuwait that time.

> That's our job too, We're the worlds whore and scapegoat.
Not really. You may be told you are. Since WW2 America has built its
"Roman-Empire" over the Earth and there were both good and bad decisions
during these decades. Good decisions go unnoticed by human/politics nature,
so only the bad remains ;)
However supporting such an empire does cost. The Russians did not have the
funds to continue their very own version, the US had - but their citizens
sometimes must pay dearly for it.

> damn politics...
Agreed :)))

>
> Back on topic, how do the french feel about software piracy :^/
LOL.

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