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In message <im4j4.1278$L4.25572@news020.image.dk>,
"Jack Nielsen" <jack.nielsen@get2net.dk> wrote :

>Hi there !

>In many years i've coded demos in machine code on the c-64 and Amiga. Now
>i'm starting to program visual basic as part of my job. I've would like to
>make some demos, you know scroll text, waving pictures, flying objects and
>nice music just to showoff.

>Is there anybody other than me in this world who already made some stuff in
>Visual Basic or haven't anyone tried that ?? Now there is great
>possibilities with Direct Draw and the fast computers to make something that
>could at least get at the same level as commodore Amiga,

"At least the same level"?  PC graphics go way beyond stock Amiga
graphics.  You can get full 200 fps on a 200 Hz screen, synced to the
refresh for realtime 3d and 2d simulations, if your graphics card and
monitor can do 200 Hz.  I've done up to 166 Hz on mine (limited by my
monitor).

>well I haven't seen
>anything in VB yet. Only some halfcool stuff named xdemo found at Patrice
>Scribes site half a year ago.
>
>Please if anyone have anything nice to show i'll really appriciate it !!

The DirectX 7 SDK has demos and source code for VB.
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John Sheehy wrote:

> Now there is great
> >possibilities with Direct Draw and the fast computers to make something that
> >could at least get at the same level as commodore Amiga,
>
> "At least the same level"?  PC graphics go way beyond stock Amiga
> graphics.  You can get full 200 fps on a 200 Hz screen, synced to the
> refresh for realtime 3d and 2d simulations, if your graphics card and
> monitor can do 200 Hz.  I've done up to 166 Hz on mine (limited by my
> monitor).

So what? Since Amiga's "Hardwired",  "State of the Art", "Arte" and few others
I've never seen anything impressing. PC demos are without... soul I think.

Jacek Lachowicz

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and may not represent those of my employer.

It's right that the SDK features some DD demos but the directdraw parts
doesn't impress at all. I have a 333 PII with ATI 3dRage Pro card and guess
what, the simple little sprite flying around is NOT very smooth and there is
only one. And the Xdemo i've seen in VB is some kind of nice, but still not
smooth, theres alot of flickering and i really HATE that. For a demo to be
great there has to be no flickering at all. I've seen more smooth and cool
stuff made on the C64 with 1 mhz and 64 kb of memory. Well, what is this
kind of progress, we will first be able to make cool VB graphics stuff when
we reach 1 ghz. Thousand times the speed of the C64.

There has to something nice not flickering stuff made in VB, else i'm sorry
to say that i'll continue stay dissapointen with VB. I know it's not made
for that kind of programming, nonetheless it should be able to something
nice !! Am I right ?

Please show me something, maybe just some nonflickering sprites flying
around in af sine with some kind of really smooth scroll text. The one who
make this will be my idol !!

Show me the way !

Kind regards

Jack Nielsen
MCP, 4/6 MCSE

wot's most ironic is that sprites in winuae go faster than wot i see in most
commercial games. Anyone seen the halflife menu system on below 250mhz
machine?

anyway my brother had been messing with directx a while back and on an ATi
rage IIc (about 3-4 yrs old) he got some really amazing framerates, without
even trying to optimise anything. I think if you get the directx sdk and
read the docs carefully you can get good looking stuff.

I haven't really used VB much but i would have though C would be faster for
this. VB is nowhere near as good as Blitz!

>
>
> "At least the same level"?  PC graphics go way beyond stock Amiga
> graphics.  You can get full 200 fps on a 200 Hz screen, synced to the
> refresh for realtime 3d and 2d simulations, if your graphics card and
> monitor can do 200 Hz.  I've done up to 166 Hz on mine (limited by my
> monitor).
>

So why can't the 200 mhz Pentium I'm using at work even scroll some text
smoothly across the screen as a screen saver?


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Jack Nielsen <jack.nielsen@get2net.dk> wrote in message
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> Hi there !
>
> In many years i've coded demos in machine code on the c-64 and Amiga. Now
> i'm starting to program visual basic as part of my job. I've would like to
> make some demos, you know scroll text, waving pictures, flying objects and
> nice music just to showoff.
>
> Is there anybody other than me in this world who already made some stuff
in
> Visual Basic or haven't anyone tried that ?? Now there is great
> possibilities with Direct Draw and the fast computers to make something
that
> could at least get at the same level as commodore Amiga, well I haven't
seen
> anything in VB yet. Only some halfcool stuff named xdemo found at Patrice
> Scribes site half a year ago.
>
> Please if anyone have anything nice to show i'll really appriciate it !!
>
Hvorfor ikke dansk. ???

Hvorfor ikke bare lave en animation og prop den ind i form med en animation
control, det ville v�rer den bedste l�snning. s� undg�r du at det hakker, og
den vil sikkert ogs� k�rer flydende ihvertfald s� l�nge du ikke laver andre
ting.
Ellers kan du jo lave en shape som susser rundt den plejer at v�re rimelig
stabil men lidt temlig kedelig.
Men hvis du har v�ret en habil coder p� amiga'en vil du aldrig nogen sinde
kunne lave de samme ting i VB, Amiga'en er en r� comp hvor man selv f�r lov
til t�nke, og lave sine egne dr�ber rutiner, mens VB har en masse f�rdig
lavet objecter som bare skal justeres lidt f�r du har det endelige program.
Jeg har lavet programmer i 2 �r i VB og har aldrig st�dt p� noget genialt,
OK det er ekstremt nemt at lave programmer, s� l�nge man ikke skal lave
noget extraordin�rt. Men da jeg sad ved amiga'en var det n�sten hverdag man
st�dte p� et eller andet hvor man sad og var m�l�s over at de virkeliig
havde t�nkt p� det.

Jeps det var de goe gamle dage med stormC og Mui  ( Mui er den vildeste GUI
engine den er bare s� r� at man g�sehud hvergang man �bner et program )

jake_frederick@my-deja.com wrote in message <86n4rm$e9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>So why can't the 200 mhz Pentium I'm using at work even scroll some text
>smoothly across the screen as a screen saver?


It _can_, just not with the program you are using which has a bug with some
(not all) video drivers/video modes.

Jim Deutch

Well the reason for me staying with VB is that it's a language which is a
part of my job. Login script, Web script, VBA in Office app. and easy VB
frontends to databases. So the demo thing is more just for fun because I
just loved to make smooth stuff on the Amiga.

I'm not that experienced with VB yet so I don't want to start with 2
languages at the same time. The work with demos could also help me in other
programming situations.

There has been alot of followups in this thread but still noone who can show
just a simple smooth scrolltext og a BOB ( sprite )

Well, wouldn't that be test for some of you cool programmers to see if you
can show all these people that it really is possible to make something
smooth with vb. The thing about smooth is mostly to only flip the screen on
vertical blank, but can VB do that ????? That's would help alot, also if it
was a call to a c or asm dll something !!

What about you Jim Deutch, you seem to know your stuff, any ideas ?? Or
maybe the great Patrice Scribe who helped the VB world with DD before
Microsoft at last made it official available for VB.

Come on guys !! I believe in you !

Regards

Jack Nielsen
MCP, 4/6 MCSE

PS. Det er p� engelsk fordi det bliver posted i flere relevante
nyhedsgrupper ! :)


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nyhedsmeddelelse:86m690$bch$1@pollux.ip-plus.net...
>
> Jack Nielsen wrote...
> >
> >There has to something nice not flickering stuff made in VB, else i'm
sorry
> >to say that i'll continue stay dissapointen with VB. I know it's not made
> >for that kind of programming, nonetheless it should be able to something
> >nice !! Am I right ?
>
> Why do you want to stick to VB so hard? You should always choose the
> programming system according to the problems you want to solve with it.
> VB is (IMHO) not fit for such a purpose, it still carries too much BASIC
> legacy with it - it's perfectly fit for many other things, but not for
high-
> performance 3D graphics and such stuff. Go a level deeper, forsake the
> easy-to-learn-stuff and get in touch with the hardware, and you'll be able
> to work wonders, even on an older graphics adaptor and CPU.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>

In message <86n4rm$e9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
jake_frederick@my-deja.com wrote :

>> "At least the same level"?  PC graphics go way beyond stock Amiga
>> graphics.  You can get full 200 fps on a 200 Hz screen, synced to the
>> refresh for realtime 3d and 2d simulations, if your graphics card and
>> monitor can do 200 Hz.  I've done up to 166 Hz on mine (limited by my
>> monitor).

>So why can't the 200 mhz Pentium I'm using at work even scroll some text
>smoothly across the screen as a screen saver?

Because "Scrolling Marquee" is not programmed to scroll smoothly.
Simple as that.

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  John P Sheehy <jsheehy@ix.netcom.com>
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Jack Nielsen wrote...
>
>There has to something nice not flickering stuff made in VB, else i'm sorry
>to say that i'll continue stay dissapointen with VB. I know it's not made
>for that kind of programming, nonetheless it should be able to something
>nice !! Am I right ?

Why do you want to stick to VB so hard? You should always choose the
programming system according to the problems you want to solve with it.
VB is (IMHO) not fit for such a purpose, it still carries too much BASIC
legacy with it - it's perfectly fit for many other things, but not for high-
performance 3D graphics and such stuff. Go a level deeper, forsake the
easy-to-learn-stuff and get in touch with the hardware, and you'll be able
to work wonders, even on an older graphics adaptor and CPU.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Kurt

In message <hjoj4.594$O37.1522@news.get2net.dk>,
"Jack Nielsen" <jack.nielsen@get2net.dk> wrote :

>It's right that the SDK features some DD demos but the directdraw parts
>doesn't impress at all.

So why don't you try to improve on them?  Maybe you just have to do a
little more threading to get it right.  This is just the first VB
DirectX code that MS wrote.

Wait a minute; what SDK are you talking about?  DirectX for VB is a new
feature, which is introduced with the *DX7* SDK, not the older VB6 SDK!

>I have a 333 PII with ATI 3dRage Pro card and guess
>what, the simple little sprite flying around is NOT very smooth and there is
>only one.

You're talking about the VB SDK screensaver "blanker" or whatever?

That's not what I'm talking about, that Blanker is horrible; the ball
moves 10x faster when the mouse goes into a toolbar!

>And the Xdemo i've seen in VB is some kind of nice, but still not
>smooth, theres alot of flickering and i really HATE that. For a demo to be
>great there has to be no flickering at all. I've seen more smooth and cool
>stuff made on the C64 with 1 mhz and 64 kb of memory.

Well, you're dealing with a fixed refresh rate there, and a fixed CPU
speed, and no multitasking, so you know exactly what you can accomplish.
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Jack Nielsen wrote:
> 
> There has to something nice not flickering stuff made in VB, else i'm sorry
> to say that i'll continue stay dissapointen with VB. I know it's not made
> for that kind of programming, nonetheless it should be able to something
> nice !! Am I right ?

You're wrong.  :)  As you say, it's not made for that kind of
programming.  First rule of programming - use the language that best
suits your goal.  VB is not it for graphics.  Learn C or assembly, and
you'll be doing kickass graphics in no time.

Mike
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