Article View: alt.engineering.electrical
Article #359Re: Electric Energy Economizer !!
From: Keith R. Williams
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:15
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:15
55 lines
4317 bytes
4317 bytes
In article <bu1evp$dkn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk>, "R.Lewis" <h.lewis-not this bit-@connect-2.co.uk> says... > > "Keith R. Williams" <krw@attglobal.net> wrote in message > news:MPG.1a6d2d402a35999d98aabf@enews.newsguy.com... > > In article <ErydnZL7LYKc0Z7dRVn-hA@centurytel.net>, > > fmarshallx@remove_the_x.acm.org says... > > > > > > "Keith R. Williams" <krw@attglobal.net> wrote in message > > > news:MPG.1a6b6e1cc211489098aab2@enews.newsguy.com... > > > > In article <GB6Mb.3635$1e.2645@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > > > > beasleys@teleport.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > Keith, > > > > > > Your posts would be more credible if you didn't say things like: > > > > > > "current must be dissipated" - only power is dissipated. > > > > The current *is* the problem. If it would make your ass feel > > better: The excess current caused bay the piss-poor power factor > > passing through a real network will cause the wires to *heat* > > more than normal. ENERGY IS WASTED! ...feel better now wus! > > > > It's the excess *current* (of course you can do a Norton and make > > it the excess voltage, I suppose) required by the generator > > *THROUGH THE TRANSMISSION NETWORK* to drive the given load that > > causes the problem. > > > > > "currrent must be wasted" - ditto. > > > > Current is being generated that isn't being used (sold). > > > Where does this current go then? It's phase angle at the load is such that the current isn't useful to the customer, however the power company still has to transmit the total current. Put a one-ohm resistor in the transmission line and figure out what the dissipation is. You'll see the power dissipated by the in-line resistor is proportional to the (vector) current in the line, where the power dissipated in the load is ~COS(theta). > Isn't that waste? Are you dense, or what? It certainly is a waste. No. Are you thick as a brick? Please note that power companies don't like whacked PF, for exactly this reason. They eat the cost of generating VAH but charge (residential) customers for WH. Where is the difference going? -- Keith
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<MPG.1a6e29e92ef42bdb989b6a@enews.newsguy.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2References:
<bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de> <NBDJb.589770$0v4.23349050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <urpevv82k3r0trnb0jh762fs98hn2i8a6s@4ax.com> <3ff785d4@news.rivernet.com.au> <nt8fvv8pga4ir6caokf25nspfbhehp74dt@4ax.com> <CD_Jb.280057$Ec1.9613771@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <bt9vr6$4tmu9$1@ID-103962.news.uni-berlin.de> <yo0Kb.597415$0v4.23524771@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <oj4v+tAOlR+$EwCo@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <MPG.1a63df869880ac1998aa6b@enews.newsguy.com> <L3NnrQAYJl+$EwGZ@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <MPG.1a669adeab3c983498aa8d@enews.newsguy.com> <3fffee5b@news.rivernet.com.au> <MPG.1a6a060664e7d63098aaa3@enews.newsguy.com> <slrnc00slc.213.isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> <MPG.1a6aa259ea57e90398aaaf@enews.newsguy.com> <GB6Mb.3635$1e.2645@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <MPG.1a6b6e1cc211489098aab2@enews.newsguy.com> <ErydnZL7LYKc0Z7dRVn-hA@centurytel.net> <MPG.1a6d2d402a35999d98aabf@enews.newsguy.com> <bu1evp$dkn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109f9b,5bf874aa96b72978 X-Google-Attributes: gid109f9b,public X-Google-Thread: 103407,5bf874aa96b72978 X-Google-Attributes: gid103407,public X-Google-Thread: 10d137,5bf874aa96b72978 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d137,public X-Google-Thread: fafc9,5bf874aa96b72978 X-Google-Attributes: gidfafc9,public X-Google-Thread: fd33a,5bf874aa96b72978 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd33a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-13 13:50:12 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical,aus.electronics,misc.industry.utilities.electric,sci.engr.electrical.compliance,sci.engr.electrical.sys-protection Subject: Re: Electric Energy Economizer !! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:09 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 55 Message-ID: <MPG.1a6e29e92ef42bdb989b6a@enews.newsguy.com> References: <bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de> <NBDJb.589770$0v4.23349050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <urpevv82k3r0trnb0jh762fs98hn2i8a6s@4ax.com> <3ff785d4@news.rivernet.com.au> <nt8fvv8pga4ir6caokf25nspfbhehp74dt@4ax.com> <CD_Jb.280057$Ec1.9613771@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <bt9vr6$4tmu9$1@ID-103962.news.uni-berlin.de> <yo0Kb.597415$0v4.23524771@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <oj4v+tAOlR+$EwCo@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <MPG.1a63df869880ac1998aa6b@enews.newsguy.com> <L3NnrQAYJl+$EwGZ@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <MPG.1a669adeab3c983498aa8d@enews.newsguy.com> <3fffee5b@news.rivernet.com.au> <MPG.1a6a060664e7d63098aaa3@enews.newsguy.com> <slrnc00slc.213.isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> <MPG.1a6aa259ea57e90398aaaf@enews.newsguy.com> <GB6Mb.3635$1e.2645@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <MPG.1a6b6e1cc211489098aab2@enews.newsguy.com> <ErydnZL7LYKc0Z7dRVn-hA@centurytel.net> <MPG.1a6d2d402a35999d98aabf@enews.newsguy.com> <bu1evp$dkn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-812.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60