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Article #31Re: Acceptable risks [was Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste]
From: ant
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:00
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:00
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none (Quarks like a duck) wrote in message <8hmmc6$20f$2@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>... >Donald Borowski <borowski@spk.agilent.com> wrote: > > > >>"D.A.Kopf" wrote: > >>> Murray Love wrote: >>> > >>> > "D.A.Kopf" <dak@dakx.com> wrote in message >>> > news:393D6C16.AB65AC41@dakx.com... >>> > > Donald Borowski wrote: >>> > > > >>> > <snip> >>> > >>> > > However, it seems reasonable to me that individual risk-taking >>> > > should not imperil the lives of others. Criminal law seems to >>> > > agree, by allowing punishment for involuntary manslaughter. >>> > > If I fell off a roof onto someone, well, I'm bound to say I'd >>> > > feel responsible for their injury. If a nuke that I designed had >>> > > an accident that caused injuries, I'd feel uncomfortable arguing >>> > > that I'm not reponsible becaused I used accepted engineering standards. >>> > >>> > This is a quandary of any industrialized society. Substitute "chemical >>> > plant", "gas flares", "car", "toaster", or "space shuttle" for "nuke", and >>> > you'll see what I mean. Pretty much all engineered items carry a risk, and >>> > that's OK if society decides they're worth it. >>> >>> Although individuals can decide whether to use cars, toasters, or (here in >>> North Carolina) collapsing walkways, while these other risks are forced upon >>> them. It thus seems to me their acceptance is properly a political, not an >>> engineering, decision. > >>There may be some merit in the distinction, but there are very few who decide to >>use no electricity. Only in this case is there an "imposed" risk and no benefit. > >>The real case we are discussing then is a risk that I take on directly (e.g., >>installing and maintaining PV panels) or one that I take on indirectly (the nuke >>plant that I get power from). From either I get the benefit of electricity. If >>either one kills me, I am just as dead. But the risks of the nuke plant are >>lower. > >>And then there is the next case of a coal plant vs. a nuke plant. Once again, the >>risks of the nuke plant are lower. > >>Some have made the counter argument that a nuke accident would make a large swath >>of land inhabitable for generations. I still am not convinced that even over >>generations the damage caused by the anticipated number of nuke accidents is >>greater than the damage caused by the normal operation of the coal plants that >>would be necessary to produce the same amount of energy. > >>-- >>Donald Borowski >>Agilent Technologies, Spokane PGU > >Thanks for giving me a great quote to put on my web site!!! Do you >have a picture of yourself wearing a dunce cap? > > and note that nuclear is always compared to coal, why is natural gas, solar, hydro, wind, geothermal, biomass and oceanic excluded. i dont particularly like coal plants, way to dirty and cheap. ant
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ecc0,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ecc0,public X-Google-Thread: 107e5d,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gid107e5d,public X-Google-Thread: 10c480,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c480,public X-Google-Thread: 102359,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gid102359,public X-Google-Thread: fb19c,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb19c,public X-Google-Thread: 10df0c,8b313945ae29a733 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df0c,public From: "ant" <dont-look@evil.spam> Subject: Re: Acceptable risks [was Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste] Date: 2000/06/11 Message-ID: <gts05.13165$N4.477391@ozemail.com.au> X-Deja-AN: 633421694 Distribution: world References: <393D6C16.AB65AC41@dakx.com> <ZWk%4.8859$F9.296322@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> <393E4B04.5BB46586@dakx.com> <393EA48F.9DF835CE@spk.agilent.com> <8hmmc6$20f$2@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 960648140 210.84.124.24 (Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:42:20 EST) Organization: anthill NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:42:20 EST Newsgroups: alt.engineering.nuclear,aus.environment.misc,aus.politics,sci.energy,sci.engr.mining,sci.environment.waste