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Article #61Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste
From: none Quarks like a duck
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:00
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greige@bigpond.com (Greig Ebeling) wrote: >On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:06:50 GMT, none (Quarks like a duck) wrote: >>>>Now we know that >>>>the Soviets have discovered plutonium behaves very unpredicatibly in >>>>relatively short term storage situations let alon 1000 years or eons. >> >>>We also know from the studies of the Oklo phenomenon that Pu migrates >>>very predictably (slowly) even when completely uncontained. >> >> >>The report in Science Magazine (Vol 287 # 5451,14 January 2000), by >>chemists Haschke, Allen, & Morales overturns long-held assumptions >>about what may happen when plutonium is buried. >Science Magazine is a repected source, and I would be interested in >seeing details of the conclusions of this article. I intend to look >it up. >>A commentary in the >>same issue of the magazine, entitled "Towards the End of PuO2's >>Suprem-acy?" >A commentary? >>discusses implications for long-term storage of plutonium dioxide: >>"It has ... been assumed for more than 50 years that PuO2 is the >>highest plutonium oxide which can be prepared. This oxide ... was >>believed to be stable over a wide temperature range.... For both >>civilian and military applications, the stability of PuO2 was a key >>factor underlying the industrial strategy ... The new results ... have >>great consequences for the underground disposal of plutonium wastes. >>Until now, it was assumed that plu-tonium would not be very mobile in >>the underground geological environment because of the insolubility of >>Pu(IV) compounds. But Haschke et al. demonstrate that water can oxide >>PuO2 into PuO2+x in which more than 25% of the plutonium ions exist as >>Pu(VI), an ion that is far more water soluble ..." >An ion which is far more water soluble? Hmmm. There's something very >fishy about this commentary. It doesn't explain the circumstances >under which this Pu(IV) dissolving takes place, pressure, temperature >etc. The theory presented here contradicts practical understanding to >date, so I suspect there is more to investigate to fully undertand the >implications of the Haschke et al. demonstration. >...Greig Thanks for finally saying there is more to investigate!
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ecc0,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ecc0,public X-Google-Thread: 107e5d,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gid107e5d,public X-Google-Thread: 10c480,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c480,public X-Google-Thread: 10df0c,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df0c,public X-Google-Thread: 102359,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gid102359,public X-Google-Thread: fb19c,76584cf5b626f783 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb19c,public From: none (Quarks like a duck) Subject: Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste Date: 2000/06/06 Message-ID: <8hjq6i$3ga$2@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> X-Deja-AN: 631893319 References: <8f1vof$fas$1@possum.melbpc.org.au> <8f2n6g$61p$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <39162523@news.rivernet.com.au> <957754941.595999@server.tarms.com> <shf6v3i05uh22@corp.supernews.com> <39186F24.9D1EBB6A@tcac.net> <957915161.274368@server.tarms.com> <8fa92n$f2i$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <8F30661E4bnesheimonlineno@148.122.208.74> <_RcS4.38598$Xk2.139664@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <8F3097C58bnesheimonlineno@148.122.208.74> <OQdS4.38606$Xk2.139672@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <958003425.891133@server.tarms.com> <8fcukc$ <391C48E0.27163060@boeing.com> <N4mT4.40348$Xk2.143903@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <hlVX4.6296$Ym2.167177@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net> <8h0paj$dqu$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <39345a3a.58079449@news.bigpond.com> <8h3kjd$h2l$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <39362a95.176972890@news.bigpond.com> <8h63nj$2aj$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3937a5ea.49767935@news.bigpond.com> <8he99d$iq2$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <393d64f7.761907@news.bigpond.com> X-Server-Date: 6 Jun 2000 21:24:34 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Reply-To: your mom Newsgroups: alt.engineering.nuclear,aus.environment.misc,aus.politics,sci.energy,sci.engr.mining,sci.environment.waste