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Article #35Re: Radical Socialist Fascist Incompetent Obama's Massive Spending Did Everything To Bring Down The US!
From: jimjames5417
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:08
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:08
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On Nov 8, 7:39 am, Travis <sulliv...@live.ca> wrote: > Reagan Cold War Myth > > Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US > government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War > economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual > collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of > separatist movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist > economic theory, and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the > Soviet economy during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's > much heralded military buildup that increased American military spending > by 8% per annum in fact did not appear to have the planned effect of > forcing the Soviets to mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, > Soviet military spending leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in > 1975 and remained at that level for a decade, although it more than > tripled to approximately 4.3% in 1985 through 1987 (though spending on > offensive strategic weapons continued to grow at 1.3% during that period), > before returning to 1.3% in 1988. > > Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his > fierce anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to > a routine NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the > threat of nuclear war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this > historically obscure incident illustrates the possible negative > repercussions of Reagan's "standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some > historians, among them Beth B. Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, > pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident which had a profound effect on President > Reagan and his turn from a policy of Confrontation towards the Soviet > Union to a policy of rapprochement. > > ------ > > << > > There is now a near-consensus among historians that Mr. Reagan's policies > not only failed to end the Cold War, but probably prolonged it for several > years beyond its likely end date, by propelling the most reactionary > Communists into power. > > From The Globe and Mail, 10/24/09:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/two-things-that-didnt-end-c... > Two things that didn't end communism > > Reagan and 'people power': The 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin > Wall offers a chance to demolish some of the myths > > By Doug Saunders > > .......................................................................... > . > ........................................... Archie Brown, the Scottish > historian of the Eastern Bloc known for his pioneering work with > declassified Soviet archives, has just published a massive and significant > work titled "The Rise and Fall of Communism", full of lessons that are > worth hearing today. > > The primary myth is the one that holds that the West, and particularly > Ronald Reagan's United States, caused the ommunist bloc to collapse > through a Cold War policy of confrontation and isolation. > > By this account, Mr. Reagan drove the Eastern Bloc into unconditional > surrender by declaring the Soviet Union an “evil empire” in 1983, madly > escalating the nuclear-arms count, launching “Star Wars” missile-defence > networks and shouting, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall,” in Berlin in > 1987. > > “This,” Mr. Brown says, “is a kind of triumphalist view … which I think is > very misleading.” > > In fact, there is now a near-consensus among historians that Mr. Reagan's > policies not only failed to end the Cold War, but probably prolonged it > for several years beyond its likely end date, by propelling the most > reactionary Communists into power. > > “The more belligerent the United States became, in terms of Reagan's > rhetoric and in terms of arms buildup, the stronger the hard-liners became > in Moscow,” Mr. Brown says. > > “Whenever the Cold War became colder, the most militant Communists, the > KGB and the military-industrial complex within the Soviet Union became > stronger.” > > In fact, the collapse of communism was probably made possible, and > certainly rendered peaceful and non-violent, by quite another set of > Western policies – the kinds of policies that are finally being revisited > today as an alternative approach to such authoritarian governments as > those of Iran, Myanmar and North Korea. > > West German governments, starting with chancellor Willy Brandt in the > 1970s, decided to meet the Communist East with engagement and aid, not > confrontation. > > These NeueOstpolitik (“new eastern policy”) tactics provided targeted > financial assistance and even bought hundreds of dissidents out of prison.
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