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Re: Scientism? - Creationism v. Evolution

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From: John Ings
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:05
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On 2 May 2004 02:00:23 -0700, apocalypse_zero@hotmail.com (Hostman
Brevis) wrote:


>> Dumb by whose standards?

>Many neuroscientists. 

>> And a matter of ego. My point sir!

>Call it egoism, but the truth is, we all are born as egoists.

And egotistical, self-serving arguments usually aren't given much
respect in honest debate.

>> >but the major thing is:
>> >there's no one else to object to our decisions.
>> 
>> And no one, so far as we know, to affirm our opinion of ourselves.

>There IS no one else, so it doesn't need to be affirmed. We can say
>anything we want.

With questionable credibility.

>> >Awareness is major criterion.
>> 
>> And conceit a major factor.

>Don't pretend to have all the answers, I meant that we are in fact the
>only ones with awareness and intelligence to rank ourselves superior.
>"Ranking" has to be done by intelligent beings, who are aware of the
>environment. It is subjective but based on factors which we think are
>are very important.

So when you can find  independant minds which agree  with you, let me
know. Until then all you've done is win the game with a stacked deck.

>> >DNA technology will let be able to grow new organs, treat degenerative
>> >diseases and slow down the aging process. These aren't opinions.
>> 
>> At the moment, yes they are. Probably valid opinions, but still just
>> opinions.

>Huh? Don't be ridiculous. What kind of anti-biblistic thought is
>backing this up? These aren't opinions, but things that are really
>going to happen (soon).

And when they do, they'll be fact. Right now they are well founded
hopes;  probably correct opinions of experts; almost certainly valid
extrapolations of existing science. But nothing more.

## Remember when kids spoke of taking their 45's to school,
##  they meant records?
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