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In article <Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Kevin Krausnick <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote:
>If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
>JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a graph
>(to help put it in perspective)...
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html

	Which displays:

This web page requires Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 or higher.

	That's really fucking useful and certainly puts it in
perspective.

	Can I add this to my ever growing list of useless web
pages?


-- 
Is there anything that kills a company faster than listening to
the words of some newly-minted suit? - Ken Strayhorn

On 19 Dec 2001 08:29:15 -0800, julian@bokassa.tele.com (Julian
Macassey) wrote:


>>http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
>	Which displays:
>
>This web page requires Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 or higher.
>
>	That's really fucking useful and certainly puts it in
>perspective.
>
>	Can I add this to my ever growing list of useless web
>pages?

Or you could get a real computer and upgrade to an IE worth a shit.

"Kevin Krausnick" <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!
>
> Kevin Krausnick
>
> Thanks,Kevin.  Please ignore the replies from those two mean spirited
trools.

BMI calculations are not useful for:

The young
The old
The pregnant
The athletic

There's a BMI chart in the wellness center at work.  It's always fun to
watch people's reactions when I see them looking at it and tell them I'm
obese according to the chart.
"Kevin Krausnick" <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!
>
> Kevin Krausnick
>
>

perplexed wrote:
> 
> "Kevin Krausnick" <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> > JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
> graph
> > (to help put it in perspective)...
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
> >
> > To your health!
> >
> > Kevin Krausnick
> >
> > Thanks,Kevin.  Please ignore the replies from those two mean spirited
> trools.

What's a trool, you big crybaby?

Lyle

From: "Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd@onr.com>
> What's a trool, you big crybaby?

Cross between a troll and a fool?

A trumpet and a stool?

A drooling troll?

Dear Kevin,

    nice idea the BMI calculator, unfortunately the realization is a bit less
sucessful. First of all you wrote your Javascript only for IE 4.0 or higher.
That fact excludes a large number of Internet-users like myself who use other
browsers not made by Microsoft. For instance the excelent browser Opera or
Netscape.
    But what's even worst worst, you only use American measurements. If you'd
use the SI units for height and mass (meters and kilograms) your site whould be
accessable for people outside the US/UK.
    This next remark may cause me to become the target of flames in this
newsgroup but I feel I've got to say this.
Unfornately this kind of America-centric frame of mind and isolationism is
typical of the USA today. For example the unilateral cancelation of the
ABM-treaty by the American goverment, the rejection of the International Court
of Justice in The Hague, the cancelation of the Kyoto treaty etc, etc. These
kind of actions cause me te become very concerned about the direction the
American nation is moving concerning International relationships and their place
in the rest of the world.
    Note, if you're not an US citizen then consider my remarks as not directed
to you.

    Cheers, and carry on the good work writing JavaScript applications for the
well-being and well-feeling of diabetics,

    Jacob.



Kevin Krausnick wrote:

> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!
>
> Kevin Krausnick

--
===========================================================================
Jacob Rousseau
Remove the _NOSPAM for my correct email adress

Type 1 diabetic for 28 years, Pen, NovoRapid, NPH, Last HbA1 6.1

===========================================================================

ahall@no-spam-to-world.std.com wrote:
> 
> BMI is not useful unless one is of average body composition.
> 
> For example, at 212lbs and 6'4" my BMI is 25.8, which is
> supposed to be moderately overweight, but my body fat is
> only about 10% of my total weight (which is excellent).
> 
> Better to measure body composition.  One can have a good
> BMI and be in poor health (high body fat percentage) or
> have a high BMI and be in great shape (low body fat percentage).

True, and (to hopefully nip some nonsense in the bud) the researchers
who've used BMI to predict health risks INTEND to use it as an indicator
of bodyfat percentage, not body mass per se.  See 'Clinical Guidelines
on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and
Obesity in Adults', NIH Publication 98-4083, September 1998 (available
on the Web).

-Wayne
(BMI 27.2)

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:30:10 GMT, Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@onr.com>
wrote:


>What's a trool, you big crybaby?
>
>Lyle

Elzi.

How refreshing!

A sane and thoughtful response to the post. And to the current state of American
unilateralisim that is being pushed by the Bush administration.

Jacob Rousseau wrote:

> Dear Kevin,
>
>     nice idea the BMI calculator, unfortunately the realization is a bit less
> sucessful. First of all you wrote your Javascript only for IE 4.0 or higher.
> That fact excludes a large number of Internet-users like myself who use other
> browsers not made by Microsoft. For instance the excelent browser Opera or
> Netscape.
>     But what's even worst worst, you only use American measurements. If you'd
> use the SI units for height and mass (meters and kilograms) your site whould be
> accessable for people outside the US/UK.
>     This next remark may cause me to become the target of flames in this
> newsgroup but I feel I've got to say this.
> Unfornately this kind of America-centric frame of mind and isolationism is
> typical of the USA today. For example the unilateral cancelation of the
> ABM-treaty by the American goverment, the rejection of the International Court
> of Justice in The Hague, the cancelation of the Kyoto treaty etc, etc. These
> kind of actions cause me te become very concerned about the direction the
> American nation is moving concerning International relationships and their place
> in the rest of the world.
>     Note, if you're not an US citizen then consider my remarks as not directed
> to you.
>
>     Cheers, and carry on the good work writing JavaScript applications for the
> well-being and well-feeling of diabetics,
>
>     Jacob.
>
> Kevin Krausnick wrote:
>
> > If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> > JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a graph
> > (to help put it in perspective)...
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
> >
> > To your health!
> >
> > Kevin Krausnick
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Jacob Rousseau
> Remove the _NOSPAM for my correct email adress
>
> Type 1 diabetic for 28 years, Pen, NovoRapid, NPH, Last HbA1 6.1
>
> ===========================================================================

The easy way to calculate your BMI is to multiply your weight in pounds by
705.
212 lbs. X 705 =  149460

Divide this number by your height in inches twice.
149460/76 = 1966.5789
1966.5789/ 76 = 25.87

A male 212 lbs and 6'4" has a BMI of 25.87
Isn't that right Andrew Hall.

There is no need for a fancy program if you know the shortcut.
--
Rollie Pollie


Kevin Krausnick <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!
>
> Kevin Krausnick
>
>

BMI is all relative to body size.  It is not meant to measure body
composition.  It is used as a tool not a gold standard of health.

--
Rollie Pollie


<ahall@no-spam-to-world.std.com> wrote in message
news:sod7krjf5j5.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com...
> >>>>> Kevin Krausnick writes:
>
>    Kevin> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
>    Kevin> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots
it on a graph
>    Kevin> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
>    http> home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
>    Kevin> To your health!
>
>    Kevin> Kevin Krausnick
>
>
> BMI is not useful unless one is of average body composition.
>
> For example, at 212lbs and 6'4" my BMI is 25.8, which is
> supposed to be moderately overweight, but my body fat is
> only about 10% of my total weight (which is excellent).
>
> Better to measure body composition.  One can have a good
> BMI and be in poor health (high body fat percentage) or
> have a high BMI and be in great shape (low body fat percentage).
>
>
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in misc.health.diabetes...)
>
>
> T2, Diag 6/99, Diet and Lots of Exercise!

Thanks for your feedback, Jacob.  Perhaps in the future I can spend some
time tweaking and testing with some of the less popular browsers, but I've
no plans to do so right now.  You make a good point regarding users outside
the U.S. / U.K, however.  I've added a metric option to the page.

-Kevin

http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html

Thanks for your feedback, Jacob.  Perhaps in the future I can spend some
time tweaking and testing with some of the less popular browsers, but I've
no plans to do so right now.  You make a good point regarding users outside
the U.S. / U.K, however.  I've added a metric option to the page.

-Kevin

http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html

MK Randall wrote:
> 
> BMI calculations are not useful for:
> 
> The young
> The old
> The pregnant
> The athletic
> 
> There's a BMI chart in the wellness center at work.  It's always fun to
> watch people's reactions when I see them looking at it and tell them I'm
> obese according to the chart.

Heh. According to the BMI calcs, I'm supposed to be no more
than 165# tops, at 5'9". But based on my body comp, I would have
to shed every drop of fat in my body AND shed 20# of LEAN
TISSUE to get there! Nuh uh, no thank you.


-- 
"There is enough crap to worry about in life without
measuring out food portions for twenty years."
                             Mistress Krista

rollie pollie wrote:
> 
> BMI is all relative to body size.

Exactly what does this mean?

> It is not meant to measure body composition.

It is intended as a proxy for bodyfat percentage.  Thus, it's not meant
to MEASURE body composition, but to characterize it.  It does this
rather poorly, as others have pointed out.

>  It is used as a tool not a gold standard of health.

Despite the inappropriateness of doing so, it is used by insurance
companies, most health professionals, and government policymakers in
assessing the health risks of individuals of individuals and
populations, even when contradictory BF composition figures (much closer
to a health risk gold standard) are available.

-Wayne

Kevin:

Thank you for giving us a useful tool.

My gosh, I would not have expected the sort of response you got.  No, this
page willl not work on every computer in the world.  No it does not tell you
exactly what your state of health is (probably you should have included a
stress test).  No it does not take into account every possible unit of
measuring one's weight/height (for example we could have measured in hands,
and weighed in hogsheads).

In additioin, it would appear that you are personally responsible for US
foreign policy regarding the ABM treaty, which is a big surprise, since I
consider myself quite well-versed on the issue (which separates me from the
likes of the one who was so critical) and have never heard your name
associated with either the treaty or the current US position regarding it.

So, thanks.  I found your page very helpful, and am grateful for your work
and your generosity.  Merry Chirstmas.

Brian Jones

"Kevin Krausnick" <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!
>
> Kevin Krausnick
>
>

Hi

There's a BMI calculator using feet and inches and pounds here -
  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.t.html
and a metric version here -
  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.metric.t.html

Philip

Dear Kevin,

    nice to see that comment on an application gets incorperated so fast! I
know enough software companies where user suggestions and comments only get
incorporated after month, year or even eons.

    Jacob.

Kevin Krausnick wrote:

> Thanks for your feedback, Jacob.  Perhaps in the future I can spend some
> time tweaking and testing with some of the less popular browsers, but I've
> no plans to do so right now.  You make a good point regarding users outside
> the U.S. / U.K, however.  I've added a metric option to the page.
>
> -Kevin
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html

In article <3C22044C.CAF67C0D@scri.sari.ac.uk>,
Philip Smith  <p.smith@scri.sari.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>There's a BMI calculator using feet and inches and pounds here -
>  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.t.html
>and a metric version here -
>  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.metric.t.html

	Thanks!

	This one works with every browser I tried.

	Someone who understands what the U in URL stands for.

	There is a reason we have standards. They are not
dificult to follow.


-- 
Is there anything that kills a company faster than listening to
the words of some newly-minted suit? - Ken Strayhorn

"Kevin Krausnick" <kkrausnick@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Bt0U7.1264$Cw3.159291@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> If you'd like to calculate your Body Mass Index (BMI), I wrote a
> JavaScript-based calculator which displays the value and plots it on a
graph
> (to help put it in perspective)...
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kkrausnick/checkbmi.html
>
> To your health!

    There's one word that would come to mind if I ever achieved a BMI of 19
(which is claimed to be healthy). The word is cachexia.

August Pamplona
--
"They are a little bit smelly, and there's something about the way they move
their antennae. But they look nicer when you put a little circuit on their
backs and remove their wings."
--Raphael Holzer

a.a. # 1811
To email replace 'necatoramericanusancylostomaduodenale' with 'cosmicaug'


>
> Kevin Krausnick
>
>

I agree with your points.

--
Rollie Pollie


Wayne S. Hill <wshill@nospam.world.std.com> wrote in message
news:3C21EAD5.B0B3A05B@nospam.world.std.com...
> rollie pollie wrote:
> >
> > BMI is all relative to body size.
>
> Exactly what does this mean?
>
> > It is not meant to measure body composition.
>
> It is intended as a proxy for bodyfat percentage.  Thus, it's not meant
> to MEASURE body composition, but to characterize it.  It does this
> rather poorly, as others have pointed out.
>
> >  It is used as a tool not a gold standard of health.
>
> Despite the inappropriateness of doing so, it is used by insurance
> companies, most health professionals, and government policymakers in
> assessing the health risks of individuals of individuals and
> populations, even when contradictory BF composition figures (much closer
> to a health risk gold standard) are available.
>
> -Wayne

"Jacob Rousseau" <jacobr@xs4all_no_spam.nl> wrote in message
news:3C2117AF.7CF7F650@xs4all_no_spam.nl...
> Dear Kevin,
>
>     nice idea the BMI calculator, unfortunately the realization
is a bit less
> sucessful. First of all you wrote your Javascript only for IE
4.0 or higher.
> That fact excludes a large number of Internet-users like myself
who use other
> browsers not made by Microsoft. For instance the excelent
browser Opera or
> Netscape.
>     But what's even worst worst, you only use American
measurements. If you'd
> use the SI units for height and mass (meters and kilograms)
your site whould be
> accessable for people outside the US/UK.

Or even just outside the US. In the UK we've used Kilo's and
meters for years. It's actually illegal to sell over the counter
items measured in the Imperial system these days (How stupid can
things get??)

>     This next remark may cause me to become the target of
flames in this
> newsgroup but I feel I've got to say this.
> Unfornately this kind of America-centric frame of mind and
isolationism is
> typical of the USA today.

It's not a "today" thing, it's pretty much been that way for as
long as America has existed, but no-one's perfect.

For example the unilateral cancelation of the
> ABM-treaty by the American goverment, the rejection of the
International Court
> of Justice in The Hague, the cancelation of the Kyoto treaty
etc, etc. These
> kind of actions cause me te become very concerned about the
direction the
> American nation is moving concerning International
relationships and their place
> in the rest of the world.

You probably have a point about America being somewhat insuloar,
be we still lover you :-)

Beav

"rollie pollie" <rhicks@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:73eU7.83109$zp5.4040834@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
> The easy way to calculate your BMI is to multiply your weight
in pounds by
> 705.
> 212 lbs. X 705 =  149460
>
> Divide this number by your height in inches twice.
> 149460/76 = 1966.5789
> 1966.5789/ 76 = 25.87
>
> A male 212 lbs and 6'4" has a BMI of 25.87
> Isn't that right Andrew Hall.
>
> There is no need for a fancy program if you know the shortcut.

But it IS easier.

Beav

"Julian Macassey" <julian@bokassa.tele.com> wrote in message
news:9vt5n4$rnc$1@bokassa.tele.com...
>
> In article <3C22044C.CAF67C0D@scri.sari.ac.uk>,
> Philip Smith  <p.smith@scri.sari.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >There's a BMI calculator using feet and inches and pounds
here -
> >  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.t.html
> >and a metric version here -
> >  http://www.thusness.com/bmi.metric.t.html
>
> Thanks!
>
> This one works with every browser I tried.
>
> Someone who understands what the U in URL stands for.

If you're so enlightened, where's YOUR contribution? Wouldn't it
have been more constructive to send Kevin the necessary code so
that his program/site could be used by more people instead of
whining?

What is it with people who whinge and complain about something
they were incapable of doing themselves?

Beav

In article <7ei12ukn9oef3soh9sds9ogm168rpfhc9b@4ax.com> Cynthiangel@webtv.net writes:
>>	Can I add this to my ever growing list of useless web
>>pages?
[Because it requires IE]

>Or you could get a real computer and upgrade to an IE worth a shit.

That's a supremely ironic use of "real".

Seriously, I thought the objection above was because of the content: BMI.

Nobody credible uses BMI.  The measure can't even tell the difference
between muscle mass and fat.  I mean, that's pretty lame.  BMI is nothing
but a joke.  A rather sick one too, given that according to it a person
like Brett Favre is in the same class as someone who is borderline obese!
Guess he should be playing Center instead of QB with all that excess
BMI'age of his!

More credible measures would be things like body fat percentage or
HDL/LDL ratio or the various other stats that one typically
compiles in a blood test; or the various measures (if concerning
fitness) one gets in fitness or endurance tests -- depending, of course,
what you want to actually measure.  But one thing's for sure: BMI
doesn't measure anything that's relevant or of interest.  Well, maybe
except the amount of pressure on your feet.