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The Celeron all the way. Very cheap, overclockable, and my Celeron whips my
K6-2 in game performance with ease.
FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in message
news:7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
> and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> processor.
>
> What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>
>

Ummm.... It's April now...


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Joe Ramirez <jrsnake@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:01be7fbf$0389dbc0$b5ed490c@masterj...
> depends on your budget but a PII will get HELLA frames, stupid actually,
it
> plays like butter, also PII supports AGP which is faster than PCI so if
you
> want REAL speed you'll need to buy a real computer
>
> as a side note you can get an OEM PII 400 MHz for about $240US if you look
> hard enough.  and... go with the RIVA TNT or wait till march for the RIVA
> TNT2
>
> FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in article
> <7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> > What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a
Pent.
> > 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just
> upgrading
> > the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
> 64MB
> > and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> > processor.
>

I have some really bad news for you my friend.  I don't think you'll be able
to use that memory with most Pentium 2 boards - you will need a new
motherboard to upgrade your processor beyond a Pentium233 MMX and most
likely, new memory.  There are only a few P2 boards that support 72 pin
SIMMS (which is what I imagine this person has.  And most of them only have
2 SIMM slots (there are a few with 4 - if that's how many you have).  BUT,
there are NO BX boards to my knowledge that support SIMMS - which means you
are limited to a 66 Mhz front side bus - which means Celeron 300, 333, 366,
400 - however (and here's the kicker) most P2 boards that DO support SIMMS
only go up to a 333 Mhz processor speed - this is because they are old and
no one expected to see such high speeds so soon.  Now, if you're willing to
scrap the whole thing there are plenty of good options out there - 64 Mb
Memory + motherboard +processor for around $250-300 that will get you into
the Celeron 300-400 range.  Make sure you know what form factor your case
is - it's either AT or ATX - I believe that AT factor P2 boards are made but
you may have to hunt for a while.  If you really need help with this, the
best place to post may be at

comp.sys.ibm-pc.hardware.chips or systems

Make sure you post very specific questions on those groups or else there is
a possibility you could waste your money on something you couldnt use.

Good luck.

DtA|LeftNut

FL1pper wrote in message <7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
>processor.
>
>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>
>

depends on your budget but a PII will get HELLA frames, stupid actually, it
plays like butter, also PII supports AGP which is faster than PCI so if you
want REAL speed you'll need to buy a real computer

as a side note you can get an OEM PII 400 MHz for about $240US if you look
hard enough.  and... go with the RIVA TNT or wait till march for the RIVA
TNT2

FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in article
<7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just
upgrading
> the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
> and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> processor.

You didn't say if you were going budget or performace did you?

Anyways, I'd go with the Celeron 400.  It's pretty much tops out there at
bang-for-the-buck, running at about $140 OEM.. maybe less it's been a couple
weeks since I checked.  Tack on a half decent motherboard and 64 megs of
PC100 and you will be good to go.

Performance?  I'd take a P2-450 on an Asus P2B mobo..  P3 is basically the
same thing for a 5% performace increase vs. a 50% price increase.

In case you're wondering, I'm presently running a P2-400 on an Asus P2B,
Asus 50X IDE CDROM, WD 10.1 IDE HD, 256 MB PC100, Trident X2 AGP 4meg video,
STB BlackMagic 3D Voodoo2 accelerator, and a LS120 superdisk.  And a cheap
Proview 19" monitor completes the deal.  That system is much more affordable
then you'd think.. and cutting corners on the monitor, CD, HD, and mobo will
knock it down even more.  Prices are great on everything but memory right
now.. so don't hold back. ;)

That's Okay, because the TNT2 comes out later this month, not in March as
CAPTAIN ACCURACY had guessed.

"A closed mouth gathers no feet" -- Unknown


Wolf333 wrote in message <923375607.947.41@news.remarQ.com>...
>Ummm.... It's April now...

I would go with a celeron CPU. Probably a 400. There is no performance
difference in games and its negligible in business apps if at all. I paid
approx. $375 for my system an this is what I got

Celeron a300 overclocked to 450 ( I cant believe how easy this was)
128 megs pc100 memory ( I got lucky I ordered 64 and got 128 :))
Abit bx6 rev2
atx style case

This system will beat my dell p2 450 128 megs system at work in raw frames
per second. %5 or so.

I am using a riva tnt for my card. If your using a voodoo 1 card you will
not see much improvement in fps. I went from a p1 233mmx to a 450 using a V1
and only gained 1 or 2 fps. You will need a V2, V3 or tnt product to take
advantage of the cpu upgrade.

FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in message
news:7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
> and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> processor.
>
> What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>
>

What kind of spending limit do you have?

If you can spend $500 for total upgrades you can get quite a nice
upgrade.  However, if we're talking $200 or <.  Then you're not going
to be very satisfied.  Give us an idea what your budget is.


On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:06:02 -0500, "FL1pper" <samethingasyou@home.com>
wrote:

>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to 64MB
>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
>processor.
>
>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>

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Like most of the other people have said, get a Celeron, but be sure you get
a boxed one instead of an OEM.  With a boxed one, your more likely to get a
stepping 1, which is easier to overclock than a stepping 0, which is more
common in OEM.  Plus, with a boxed version, you get a neat little "Celeron
inside" sticker to put on your computer.

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FL1pper wrote in message <7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
>processor.
>
>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>
>

The Celeron.   I've seen a Celeron 400 w/ motherboard for as low as $200.


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FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in message
news:7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
> and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> processor.
>
> What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>
>

get a celeron!!! there cheap and quick, and great for overclocking!!! but dont
get anything less then 333mhz

Bryan A wrote:

> The Celeron.   I've seen a Celeron 400 w/ motherboard for as low as $200.
>
> --
> Bryan A
> (BDA)
>
> FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in message
> news:7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> > What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> > 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> > the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
> 64MB
> > and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> > processor.
> >
> > What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
> >
> >

theoddone33 wrote:

> Like most of the other people have said, get a Celeron, but be sure you get
> a boxed one instead of an OEM.  With a boxed one, your more likely to get a
> stepping 1, which is easier to overclock than a stepping 0, which is more
> common in OEM.  Plus, with a boxed version, you get a neat little "Celeron
> inside" sticker to put on your computer.
>
> --
> theoddone33
> "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man"
> http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/2541/
> To email, descramble the pig latin

LOL!! That neat little sticker is why I bought my 300a boxed!! I just couldn't
bear the thought of not having my computer say: Celeron inside! He he he.

My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?

charlie.


NOYB {OT} wrote in message <370a556e.7873639@news>...
>What kind of spending limit do you have?
>
>If you can spend $500 for total upgrades you can get quite a nice
>upgrade.  However, if we're talking $200 or <.  Then you're not going
>to be very satisfied.  Give us an idea what your budget is.
>
>
>On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:06:02 -0500, "FL1pper" <samethingasyou@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
>>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
>>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
64MB
>>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
>>processor.
>>
>>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
>>
>
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Ever heard of commission? Hehehe, I'm willing to bet the second after they said
that they escorted you to their *cough, cough* fine line of Pentium III
computers. Now don't get me wrong the PIII is a fine processor, but son, IT
AIN'T WORTH IT. The Celeron processors are very gaming friendly, especially
after you overclock them. Basically all they really are PII processors stripped
of cache. On the bright side they have 128K of onboard cache which makes them so
great for overclocking, so long as you keep them cool. And once overclocked they
generally perform at the same level of their PII counterparts and are generally
just as stable. If you're willing to wait a bit longer wait and see what happens
with the K7. When it first comes out it will most likely exceed your current
budget, but processor prices always drop over time. You see the nice thing about
the K7 processor is that it will be running on a 200 Mhz bus that was licensed
from Digital, you know those guys that make those really fast Alpha processors,
as well as some other technology licensed from them. Or you could wait for the
K6-3 to come down a bit in price, so far I've seen some pretty favorable
benchmarks come from machines running that particular processor.

Yours,

Christopher Patricca

FL1pper wrote:

> My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
> type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?
>
> charlie.
>
> NOYB {OT} wrote in message <370a556e.7873639@news>...
> >What kind of spending limit do you have?
> >
> >If you can spend $500 for total upgrades you can get quite a nice
> >upgrade.  However, if we're talking $200 or <.  Then you're not going
> >to be very satisfied.  Give us an idea what your budget is.
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:06:02 -0500, "FL1pper" <samethingasyou@home.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> >>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> >>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
> 64MB
> >>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> >>processor.
> >>
> >>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
> >>
> >
> >--------------
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Christopher Patricca wrote:
> 
> Ever heard of commission? Hehehe, I'm willing to bet the second after they said
> that they escorted you to their *cough, cough* fine line of Pentium III
> computers. 

This might be true of a computer or electronics store, but Office Depot,
Office Max, Staples, and other office supply stores don't pay
commissions on sales.  In these stores, you take the item to a cashier
who has no idea which clerk, if any, waited on you.

On the other hand, the clerks in most stores have no more knowledge of
the products they sell than the average experienced computer user does. 
They are given little or no training and must rely on what they already
know or read on the info sheets the computer companies provide.  I'd
rather hear from game players who own that processor how well games run
on it.

In article <7eetsv$mna$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, sameasyou@home.com 
says...
> My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
> type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?


Not even slightly. The Celeron has always been the gamers best friend tho 
since it came out, mainly due to it's cheap cost and excellent 
overclockability.   :)   The ones with 128KB cache generally perform 
exactly the same as a real P2 running the same clock speed for a fraction 
of the cost.


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FL1pper <sameasyou@home.com> wrote in message
news:7eetsv$mna$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
> type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?

How did you find many "experts" at "Office Depot and those
type of places"?   Were they there shopping?




FL1pper wrote:
> 
> My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
> type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?
> 
> charlie.
> 
> NOYB {OT} wrote in message <370a556e.7873639@news>...
> >What kind of spending limit do you have?
> >
> >If you can spend $500 for total upgrades you can get quite a nice
> >upgrade.  However, if we're talking $200 or <.  Then you're not going
> >to be very satisfied.  Give us an idea what your budget is.
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:06:02 -0500, "FL1pper" <samethingasyou@home.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
> >>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading
> >>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
> 64MB
> >>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> >>processor.
> >>
> >>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will deliver?
> >>
> >
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Here's what I would do if I were you.

#1 Take stock of the items you can salvage from your current computer.

I'll go out on a limb, and assume you have a Hard drive, CDROM, Video
Card, Sound Card, and Floppy Drive.  

#2 Decide what you need to buy.

You'll need a new motherboard, CPU, RAM, and ATX case.

Motherboard = Abit BH6                             =  $90.00
CPU = 400 Mhz Intel Celeron (Slot 1 retail) =       $150.00
RAM= 128 MB PC 100 SDRAM                 =   $145.00
Case= Enlight 7237 Mid Twr ATX              =  $60.00

Total Cost = $445.00 

That leaves you enough to play around with if you want to add any
extras.  Like a new sound card, or video card.

If you are interested in a new sound card I recommend the Diamond
Monster MX 300.
Video Card would have to be Diamond Viper V550 (TNT) AGP card.

The MX 300 is @ 80 dollars and the V550 is @ 115 dollars.


I chose the Abit BH6, because it is an excellent board for upgraders,
and overclockers.

The 400 MHz celeron, is overclockable, and priced reasonably.
I would try 75*6 or 450 MHz first, then 83*6 or 500 MHz next.  You'll
probably have your best luck with the 450 MHz setting.  Then again, at
400 MHz you shouldn't have much to complain about.  :)

128 MB of PC 100 RAM to help overclocking, and because games just
desire more RAM nowadays.

Enlight 7237, because it is a spacious ATX case, and good company rep.


Unfortunately, you're going to have to ditch your SIMMs, but RAM
prices are so cheap, you won't be taking a huge loss.
 
A good place to shop is www.mwave.com  I recommend them, because
everything I've bought from them has arrived promptly and in working
order.  Good luck!!!

On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:29:43 -0500, "FL1pper" <sameasyou@home.com>
wrote:

>My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and those
>type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?
>
>charlie.
>

>>>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a  Pent.
>>>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just upgrading

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that's kindof stupid. You want the 300a specifically. That way you have a
very good chance of making it a 450.
333 is less, 366 less, 400 less, 433 less...

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kingneptune <jsaby@island.net> wrote in message
news:370C03FD.926C9ED6@island.net...
> get a celeron!!! there cheap and quick, and great for overclocking!!! but
dont
> get anything less then 333mhz
>
> Bryan A wrote:
>
> > The Celeron.   I've seen a Celeron 400 w/ motherboard for as low as
$200.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan A
> > (BDA)
> >
> > FL1pper <samethingasyou@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:7ebtiv$gt5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> > > What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a
Pent.
> > > 133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just
upgrading
> > > the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB
to
> > 64MB
> > > and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
> > > processor.
> > >
> > > What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will
deliver?
> > >
> > >
>

If ya know anyone with a spare I'll be happy to take it off their hands.  I
was too stupid to buy a boxed. :(

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ComputerUser wrote in message <7eem8j$sbb$1@208.10.2.94>...
>
>
>theoddone33 wrote:
>
>> Like most of the other people have said, get a Celeron, but be sure you
get
>> a boxed one instead of an OEM.  With a boxed one, your more likely to get
a
>> stepping 1, which is easier to overclock than a stepping 0, which is more
>> common in OEM.  Plus, with a boxed version, you get a neat little
"Celeron
>> inside" sticker to put on your computer.
>>
>> --
>> theoddone33
>> "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man"
>> http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/2541/
>> To email, descramble the pig latin
>
>LOL!! That neat little sticker is why I bought my 300a boxed!! I just
couldn't
>bear the thought of not having my computer say: Celeron inside! He he he.
>

Yes, I panicked. I just couldn't deal with buying a Celeron based system and
being stuck with it all upset and stuff so I got a loan for 1500.00 and a
Visa and got a Gateway Pentium 2. These are the specs. Hopefully I made a
good decision. I ordered extra RAM to bump it up to 128mb. I believe it was
a good choice and I won't have any probs........hopefully.


Intel� Pentium� II Processor 400MHz with 512k Cache
128MB 100MHZ SDRAM expandable to 384MB
EV700 17" color monitor (15.9" viewable area)
16MB 3DFx Voodoo Banshee AGP Graphics Accelerator
13.5GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA hard drive with Ultra ATA 66 Controller
3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive
4.8X DVD-ROM Drive
Integrated Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D & Boston Acoustics BA635 Speakers
w/Subwoofer
U.S. Robotics 56K* Voice Winmodem
1 Year gateway.net Internet Access
Mid Tower
Multi-function Keyboard
MS IntelliPoint Mouse; Gateway mouse pad
Microsoft Windows 98

No man, not at office depot but from Office Depot, employees and managers.
I think they're full of it.

"Would there be any trouble playing 3D Games with a Celeron processor based
PC?"

"No, it would be fine, don't worry."

Rick Baker wrote in message <370B96CC.7270B3F8@ti.com>...
>How did you find many "experts" at "Office Depot and those
>type of places"?   Were they there shopping?
>
>
>
>
>FL1pper wrote:
>>
>> My budget is $600.00. I'm told by many "experts" from Office Depot and
those
>> type of places that the Celeron is not very gaming friendly. True?
>>
>> charlie.
>>
>> NOYB {OT} wrote in message <370a556e.7873639@news>...
>> >What kind of spending limit do you have?
>> >
>> >If you can spend $500 for total upgrades you can get quite a nice
>> >upgrade.  However, if we're talking $200 or <.  Then you're not going
>> >to be very satisfied.  Give us an idea what your budget is.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:06:02 -0500, "FL1pper" <samethingasyou@home.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>What would be my best option for a processor upgrade? I now have a
Pent.
>> >>133 and I thirst for speed. I plan on buying a new puter or just
upgrading
>> >>the Hell out of the one I have. I already bumped up my RAM from 16MB to
>> 64MB
>> >>and have a Diamond accelerator card but now it has come down to the
>> >>processor.
>> >>
>> >>What is the best reasonably priced processor out there that will
deliver?
>> >>
>> >
>> >--------------
>> >NOYB {OT}
>> >ICQ#: 10020699
>> >Email: noyb@q3acenterxxx.com
>> >remove "xxx" to reply
>> >
>> >3 Finger's Excellent site: http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
>> >
>> >Morgan V's FAQ:
>> http://members.xoom.com/morganv/quake2/ALT.GAMES.QUAKE2_FAQ.html
>> >
>> >Darth's FAQ:   http://members.xoom.com/Vizjerai/quake2.htm
>> >
>> >The Unofficial Quake II FAQ by Richard Connery:
>> >http://www.planetquake.com/q2faq/
>> >

Damn I think your Gateway mouse pad is NOT compatible with Quake 2.
Hahaha just kidding.

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FL1pper wrote:
> 
> Yes, I panicked. I just couldn't deal with buying a Celeron based system and
> being stuck with it all upset and stuff so I got a loan for 1500.00 and a
> Visa and got a Gateway Pentium 2. These are the specs. Hopefully I made a
> good decision. I ordered extra RAM to bump it up to 128mb. I believe it was
> a good choice and I won't have any probs........hopefully.
> 
> Intel� Pentium� II Processor 400MHz with 512k Cache
> 128MB 100MHZ SDRAM expandable to 384MB
> EV700 17" color monitor (15.9" viewable area)
> 16MB 3DFx Voodoo Banshee AGP Graphics Accelerator
> 13.5GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA hard drive with Ultra ATA 66 Controller
> 3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive
> 4.8X DVD-ROM Drive
> Integrated Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D & Boston Acoustics BA635 Speakers
> w/Subwoofer
> U.S. Robotics 56K* Voice Winmodem
> 1 Year gateway.net Internet Access
> Mid Tower
> Multi-function Keyboard
> MS IntelliPoint Mouse; Gateway mouse pad
> Microsoft Windows 98

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In article <vermilion.1368.370D7138@fuse.net>, vermilion@fuse.net (Vermilion) wrote:
>In article "FL1pper" <sameasyou@home.com> writes:
>
>>Yes, I panicked. I just couldn't deal with buying a Celeron based system and
>>being stuck with it all upset and stuff so I got a loan for 1500.00 and a
>>Visa and got a Gateway Pentium 2. These are the specs. Hopefully I made a
>>good decision. I ordered extra RAM to bump it up to 128mb. I believe it was
>>a good choice and I won't have any probs........hopefully.

A celeron system is just as viable as any other.  99.99999% of the time, it is 
not the cpu that causes you the problems, it's the sub-par crap (motherboard, 
expansion cards, etc.) that unscrupulous computer retailers stuff into thier 
systems.  As with any large purchase, you should always research what you are 
buying.  Compare prices and components and be sure the products the computer 
retailer is using are recognized quality products from manufacturers with an 
on-line presence so if the retailer ever goes belly up you still have the 
manufacturer for product support.

>>Integrated Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D & Boston Acoustics BA635 Speakers
>>w/Subwoofer
>
>    These things I've seen cause trouble sometimes.  Personally, I never trust 
>integrated stuff.

I have never witnessed "trouble" due to integrated motherboards, I do agree 
that they can be a bad decision mainly because integrated motherboards usually 
skimp on expansion slots and that adds up to upgrading headaches a few moths 
down the road.
If you plan to never upgrade however, a good integrated motherboard with 
quality chipsets slapped on it can be a wise investment.  Most of the time 
they are cheaper than seperate cards and that can save you $$.  If you ever 
want to play cutting edge games tho, I would never ever recommend integrated 
components.  Definately keep the system open, it will save you money in the 
long run.

>    The only really *bad* thing about Gateway systems is how they hork the 
>mortheboard.  A friend of mine got one late last year and the damn thing only 
>had 4 expansion slots and they assigned the IRQs in reverse order (a really 
>amazingly stupid thing to do).  It's not a bad machine, just extremely 
>finicky.  And there's that damned cow logo on everything...
>

I dont like Gateway for a number of reasons.  They are expensive, you dont 
have much of a choice when it comes to configuration, they try to lock you 
into buying a new gateway computer every 2 years with thier questionable "my 
ware" program, they are limited to how much upgrading you can do, and they use 
intrgrated components--which, as I said, is fine if you never want to upgrade 
(ala office computer).  But, it has to be said that GW2K's customer service is 
top notch and in the end, that's what you are paying for.

>    - Vermilion, curious as to exactly how much you paid... ?

I belive he said $1500, which sounds about right for a Gateway system of those 
specs.
>
>
>

In article "FL1pper" <sameasyou@home.com> writes:

>Yes, I panicked. I just couldn't deal with buying a Celeron based system and
>being stuck with it all upset and stuff so I got a loan for 1500.00 and a
>Visa and got a Gateway Pentium 2. These are the specs. Hopefully I made a
>good decision. I ordered extra RAM to bump it up to 128mb. I believe it was
>a good choice and I won't have any probs........hopefully.

    *sigh*  Another victim of the corporate beast.  What gave you cold feet 
with the celeron?  The celery is rock solid and wonderfully priced...

>Intel� Pentium� II Processor 400MHz with 512k Cache

    I-ight.  can't go wrong there.

>128MB 100MHZ SDRAM expandable to 384MB

    Typical, no complaints.

>EV700 17" color monitor (15.9" viewable area)

    I only use MAG monitors, just a quirk.  What's your dot pitch?  .26?

>16MB 3DFx Voodoo Banshee AGP Graphics Accelerator

    Bleech.  I'd have recommended a TNT.

>13.5GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA hard drive with Ultra ATA 66 Controller

    Man, that's a hefty drive.  Fast too.

>3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive
>4.8X DVD-ROM Drive
>Integrated Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D & Boston Acoustics BA635 Speakers
>w/Subwoofer

    These things I've seen cause trouble sometimes.  Personally, I never trust 
integrated stuff.

>U.S. Robotics 56K* Voice Winmodem
>1 Year gateway.net Internet Access
>Mid Tower
>Multi-function Keyboard
>MS IntelliPoint Mouse; Gateway mouse pad
>Microsoft Windows 98

    The only really *bad* thing about Gateway systems is how they hork the 
mortheboard.  A friend of mine got one late last year and the damn thing only 
had 4 expansion slots and they assigned the IRQs in reverse order (a really 
amazingly stupid thing to do).  It's not a bad machine, just extremely 
finicky.  And there's that damned cow logo on everything...

    - Vermilion, curious as to exactly how much you paid... ?