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In article <01bbdd81$59290200$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid"
<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:

|         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
| some action.
| 
| >>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
| >>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
| >>>>to young people using the Internet.  Newsgroups are public discussions

It may as well be a joke.  The vote *was* held _many months ago_ and the
proposed newsgroup was defeated.

Cheers,
Jayfar

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Intrepid wrote:
> 
>         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> some action.
> 
> >>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called<SNIP, SNIP>
> >>>>in the history of the UseNet.

I may be incorrect, but I don't believe so.

Should you be posting this stuff in the newsgroups you have?
And why have you posted it twice?  I understand you wish to get
your point across, but thats a waste of bandwidth.
Perhaps a better choice would be alt.activism, maybe.
I don't agree with white-supremacists, nor would I appreciate
them voicing their racist opinions in un-appropriate areas.
But, they _do_ have the right of free speech, at least in Canada
and the US, among other places, and if they wish to have their own
private area for their thoughts, I must agree with them on that.
As long as no laws are being broken, I don't believe we should
deny them their rights, even if they seek to remove the rights
of others.  Free speech is universal. (Or should be.)

But.... thats just my opinion.  And you have yours.
(Thanks to free speech, we can both express them.)

Ciao.

Jeff Power

power@nf.sympatico.ca
also:
lunatic@mad.scientist.com

Free speech is free speech. I'm at the end of the spectrum that says it's
all right to yell fire in a theater if it's not to crowded.
Keeping things from "young people" has never been to successful.


Intrepid <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote in article
<01bbdd81$59290200$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>...
> 
> 	This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> some action.
> 
> >>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
> >>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate
out
> >>>>to young people using the Internet.  Newsgroups are public
discussions
> on
> >>>>the Internet and their formation requires enough support from the
> Internet
> >>>>community.
> >>>>
> >>>>EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS ONE VOTE when it comes to creating a new
> >>>>Usenet group.  I hope you will vote NO and thereby tell these NAZIS
we
> >>>>don't want their stuff on the net.  Below is the procedure, please
> repost
> >>>>this plea and get the NO vote out.  If you want to see the official
> call
> >>>>for votes, you can try on "news.group".
> >>>>
> >>>>     DO NOT VOTE TWICE - that would constitute voting fraud.
> >>>>
> >>>>     HOW TO VOTE:
> >>>>
> >>>>     Send e-mail (posts to newsgroups are invalid) to:
> >>>>
> >>>>       music-vote@sub-rosa.com
> >>>>
> >>>>     This is an impartial, third party vote taker.
> >>>>     Please check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail
> >>>>     message,  to be accepted by the counting computer,  must
> >>>>     contain only the following statement with no signature:
> >>>>
> >>>>        I vote NO on rec.music.white-power
> >>>>
> >>>>     Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions
> >>>>may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive
> >>>>an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the
votetaker
> >>>>about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is
> >>>>registered correctly.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Here's what Canada's George Burdi, of the neo-Nazi Heritage
> >>>>Front, had to say about this vote, on February 21, on his RESISTANCE
> >>>>mailing list:
> >>>>
> >>>>   "There is a call for votes coming on rec.music.white-power
> >>>>   in the next week or so, and you will be notified in a special
> >>>>   issue of RREN exactly what to do.  FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
> >>>>   TO THE LETTER.  Let me be perfectly blunt and state that we have
> >>>>   more than enough net-nazis to win this thing handsdown. But every
> >>>>   one of you must vote YES!  And just voting yes means nothing
unless
> >>>>   you do it properly.  So you have   been forewarned. The
instructions
> >>>>   are coming to your email  box soon, and they are not complicated.
> >>>>   Just follow them as told, and we will have a WP music newsgroup
> >>>>   finally!"
> >>>>
> >>>>If Mr. Burdi's confidence disturbs you, please give this letter the
> >>>>widest possible distribution, and help us deliver the largest NO vote
> >>>>in the history of the UseNet.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Second Star to the right, and straight on till morining. 
> 

Jay Farrell wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbdd81$59290200$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid"
> <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
> 
> |         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> | some action.
> |
> | >>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
> | >>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
> | >>>>to young people using the Internet.  Newsgroups are public discussions
> 
> It may as well be a joke.  The vote *was* held _many months ago_ and the
> proposed newsgroup was defeated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jayfar

Jay, this gives me the oportunity to ask a question I've wanted an
answer to for a while.  If an NG about racism was defeated, how were the
pedophilia & binaries.teen.sex(or whatever it's called) & like groups
allowed to come into being.  My first thought was that they were
originally intended f/discussion, but then became overridden
w/pedophiles.  This scenario, though, doesn't explain the binary NGs
that feature child/teen sex.

In article <32A4DAE7.38C0@chat.carleton.ca>, kmacdona@chat.carleton.ca wrote:

> Jay, this gives me the oportunity to ask a question I've wanted an
> answer to for a while.  If an NG about racism was defeated, how were the
> pedophilia & binaries.teen.sex(or whatever it's called) & like groups
> allowed to come into being.  My first thought was that they were
> originally intended f/discussion, but then became overridden
> w/pedophiles.  This scenario, though, doesn't explain the binary NGs
> that feature child/teen sex.

those are alt.* s this is rec.*

ANYONE can create an alt.* w/whatever they want (well almost anyone).

Keith MacDonald wrote:
> 
> Jay, this gives me the oportunity to ask a question I've wanted an
> answer to for a while.  If an NG about racism was defeated, how were the
> pedophilia & binaries.teen.sex(or whatever it's called) & like groups
> allowed to come into being.  My first thought was that they were
> originally intended f/discussion, but then became overridden
> w/pedophiles.  This scenario, though, doesn't explain the binary NGs
> that feature child/teen sex.

I don't claim to understand the Usenet all to well. First time I tried
it, I got well over 300+ messages a day. I dropped it quickly.
However, has the addition of new newsgroups always been democratic? Or
was it republic, where anyone with a Usenet server could create a group?
If these alt.binary.craddle_rape newsgroups came around before the
democratic system, then they would have a basis to stay. My question is,
why haven't they been taken down?
	I'll admit, this is against my usual stand of "The net is a wilderness,
take as is, or get out" view of the net, but I do believe in limits, and
NGs like aformentioned are beyond them.

--Cam

In article <32A57EC3.121B@atldev.com>,
Cam Chalmers  <cchalmers@atldev.com> wrote:
>
>	I'll admit, this is against my usual stand of "The net is a wilderness,
>take as is, or get out" view of the net, but I do believe in limits, and
>NGs like aformentioned are beyond them.

There is also an idea that messages are best posted to appropriate
newsgroups. The one I am reading this in, for example, is
comp.lang.java.programmer, where it has very little connection to the
topic (theoretically) under discussion. If you could look for a way of
trimming down the list of groups you post to, this might be helpful.

Thanks.

-- 
Richard Robinson, Leeds, UK.
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