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Wanted to point a few things out... CReepazoids led the game
most of the time, then dropped out... GEM of course killed
all our colonies and such without a responce from us.
You'll note his 33K morale, and Creep's -27K morale. :)
Also, power in that game was still the older, messed up,
one that gave massive weight to morale, and little
to tech/ships/res, etc. 

Just had to be said by someone. ;)


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varneyml@wckn.dorm.clarkson.edu (Mike Varney) writes:
>----==== PLAYER RANKINGS ====----
>      ##  Name           Morale   Tech  IQ
> 1 M [ 8] GEM             39312  201.21 159
> 2   [11] Selenes          9528  165.68 180
> 3   [14] Rakshasa         2972  150.14 195
           ^^^^^^^^

Hey, this is pretty righteous considering I NEVER logged in!

(I gave the race away, essentially, and credit goes to
jerosen@u.washington.edu, among others perhaps.)

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"

OK, I think the post on the Clarkson game may be just a tad misleading.  By
the end of the game, it was really just a few of us playing around with no
competition whatsoever.  Creepazoids was the only race that stood up to GEM
at all.  So, when they/he quit, the game just died.  GEM proceeded to take over
the universe and waste all of Creep's ships at his leisure.  Selenes fought
with Smileys and won in the end.  That was about it though, as far as I saw.

I've rearranged the power report so that it is in descending order based on
victory points instead of morale.  And astericks are to denote the races
that (to the best of my knowledge) were idle by the end of the game.  Hope
this clears things up a bit.

         ========== Galactic Bloodshed Power Report ==========
rank  #  Name               VP  mil  civ cash ship pl  res fuel dest morl VNs
 1 [ 8]  GEM              9.0K  22K 9.4M 547K 2.0K332 299K 451K 116K  39K   0
 2 [11]  Selenes          1.4K 4.3K 1.5M 451K  576 67  24K  51K 9.7K 9.5K  31
 4 [ 5]  Leviathan        1.4K 1.4K 5.3M 605K  492 39  73K 177K  12K  898   0
14 [ 2] *Creepazoids       449 2.3K 904K 458K  589 73 116K 218K  47K -25K   0
 3 [14]  Rakshasa          382 1.4K 269K 353K  156 16  11K  19K 1.5K 3.0K   0
12 [10] *Anacer Union      215    0 518K  87K   20 12  29K  35K 4.2K-2.0K   0
 6 [ 3] *Truzenzuzex       202   33 165K  96K    8 14  25K  29K 3.8K -764   0
 5 [ 7] *Gun-Roh-Chin      177  463 162K 289K   46  4 6.4K10.0K 2.3K -456   0
11 [ 6] *Killer Gerbils    163    0  85K 8.6K   16 11  18K  28K 8.5K-1.5K   0
13 [12]  Smileys            70    0  35K  46K    9 11 7.6K  11K 3.0K-3.5K   0
 8 [ 4]  Seeker             62   43  20K  96K    7  1  943 5.2K 2.1K -946   0
10 [ 9] *Masher             14    0  54K 3.1K    2  1 1.1K 1.4K   50-1.3K   0
 9 [13] *Vulk               13    0  29K 5.8K    0  4  760 1.2K  179-1.2K   0
 7 [15] *The Blaine         10    0 3.1K  19K    3  2  855  887    6 -766   0
15 [ 1]  The_Lord(tm)        0    0    0    0    0  0    0    0    0    0   0
 
 -- The rankings above are from the moale based power report.
 -- Creep jumps from last place to fourth when its on VP and not morale.

Also.  I played Rakshasa in this game, I took it over from Kevin Martin
(sigma).  In the morale influenced victory chart, I placed 3rd.  That was only
because I got bored towards the end and wasted the capitals of a couple idle
players.  On the victory point chart above, I place 5th.  Thats not very 
impressive considering how many races were idle at the end.  So, what I'm 
saying guys is that I really sucked it in this one. :-)

--Jim Rosenbaum
  KingFish, ruler of Rakshasa (borrowed race name)

In article <1993Jan26.010542.10777@nwnexus.WA.COM> ninja@halcyon.com (Jonathan Roy)
 writes:

>   Wanted to point a few things out... CReepazoids led the game
>   most of the time, then dropped out... GEM of course killed

Don't whine, man!

You led the game 'till we get jump tech! You just dropped out after we
had brought down about 70 of your 220 or so colonies!

And it was GEM who led the game in the very beginning when there was more than
just few active races!

After that break we had it was damn easy to you to take all those colonies you
had 'cause there were only few active races left.....

C'mon about 7 stars per player at the beginning, it's damn easy to spread out
while being almost one and only active played techie....while us mesos are
desperately trying to speed our pods up! :)


>   all our colonies and such without a responce from us.
>   You'll note his 33K morale, and Creep's -27K morale. :)

Yeah I must admit that most of our morale comes from killing unarmed women and
children, but... THAT WAS DAMN GREAT RELAXING EXPERIENCE!

>   Also, power in that game was still the older, messed up,
>   one that gave massive weight to morale, and little
>   to tech/ships/res, etc. 

So what!

>   Just had to be said by someone. ;)

Yeah like this also..... just to give few hard kicks to your yankee ego! ;)

but truly: while active Creepazoids is one of the best races I have seen....

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>    "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design." - _RotJ_


Samuli Suomi 
aka Empire 
aka Ender, the gov of GEM...
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:05:42 GMT, ninja@halcyon.com (Jonathan Roy) said:

Jonathan> Wanted to point a few things out... CReepazoids led the game
Jonathan> most of the time, then dropped out... GEM of course killed
Jonathan> all our colonies and such without a responce from us.
Jonathan> You'll note his 33K morale, and Creep's -27K morale. :)
Jonathan> Also, power in that game was still the older, messed up,
Jonathan> one that gave massive weight to morale, and little
Jonathan> to tech/ships/res, etc. 

This sounds suspiciously like one of those sports newscasters who are
always trying to dig up reasons why their favorite/home team just
lost. You know, "we would have won this one for sure if...

	a) there had been more sunspots
	b) the tarot deck had been favorable
	c) half the team hadn't been at home watching Simpsons reruns

Come on, if GEM won then he (it?) won. That's that. Better luck next time.

//Petri (alias TheCulture)

Petri.Wessman@hut.fi (Petri Wessman) writes:
>This sounds suspiciously like one of those sports newscasters who are
>always trying to dig up reasons why their favorite/home team just
>lost. You know, "we would have won this one for sure if...
>	a) there had been more sunspots
>	b) the tarot deck had been favorable
>	c) half the team hadn't been at home watching Simpsons reruns
>Come on, if GEM won then he (it?) won. That's that. Better luck next time.

Perhaps you can look at it this way.  But what if football were scored
according to number of injuries inflicted, or one point for every first
down?  Wouldn't outcomes (and strategy) be a bit different?

Face it.  Morale ranking, and even ranking by the current VP formula, suck
goose eggs.

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"

 - And it was GEM who led the game in the very beginning when there
was
 - more than just few active races!
 
   Mesos always lead early. They get colonies on other planets, and
the
morale shoot them ahead a little bit. That is why Vorlons is in the
top
3 of NYU. It means nothing.
 
 - After that break we had it was damn easy to you to take all those
 - colonies you had 'cause there were only few active races left.....
 
   Considering that Creep had jump ships before anyone else, it's not
really because of the number of idle races. Creep is the best player
I've ever seen.
 
   I just posted because I didn't want anyone to think Creep lost the
game that badly. (Last place.) He had jump first, d's first, C's
first,
B's first. I'm in awe of his skill, and wanted to publicly note that.
If
you believe otherwise, feel free to. If anything contributed to
Creep's
desire to quit, it was most likely my inability to spend much time in
the game... There was no way a normal with 200+ colonies, with no
auto/thresh/popn, can compete with a meso that has many governors.
 

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  F F  Jonathan Roy, of the Free Access Foundation    Email: ninja@halcyon.com
   A   Mail faf@halcyon.com for information, or FTP to halcyon.com:  /pub/faf/
  F F  Vorlons, of the Galactic Bloodshed Development Team      GEnie: J.ROY18
 "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design." - _RotJ_

Regarding the Clarkson standings....

I appreciate the people who stood up for Creepazoids placing higher.

Now for my opinions.

Creepazoids was not a meso that game.  Mesos always win.  Therefore
the only question was WHICH meso would win?

GEM was a well designed race, played rather well, and apparently
scrapped their gov center for early resources and didn't get
caught with their pants down.  [Newbies, don't try this at home.
Scrapping your @ only gives 250 res, but will cost 913 to rebuild.
And will most likely be built at a lower tech than the tech 100
@ you started with.  Scrapping your @ is risky, but if you can do
it without getting pegged, it can be VERY rewarding.]

Creepazoids tried to play without allies since it was a small
15 player game, and had a leader and 1 gov.

GEM had a techie ally, a leader for their race and 4? govs, one of
whom was relatively inactive.

With 7 star systems per player, Creepazoids managed to land 200
colonies, but could not afford the time to do all the civ shuffling
and stuff involved with KEEPING the colonies.

When GEM eventually got to our systems, he merely absorbed our 
populations wholesale, and did it without destroying the planet.
We would have to DESTROY a planet to take it back.  This is why Mesos
always win.

GEM was well played, well designed, and worked hard on diplomacy and 
arm-twisting.

Creepazoids was designed as my *LAST* attempt to play a solo techie.
I wanted to make one last try at a techie that could WIN.  My conclusions
are that without a LOT of automation (to order all those ships) mesos are
easier cuz pods are launch and forget.  And even if mesos weren't easier,
they still always win due to absorption not damaging a planet.

No problem.  If I want the fun of playing a techie again, I'll just know
ahead of time that it isn't a winning race and I'll be some MESO's pet.
In fact, I'll probably be GEM's pet. :)  I developed a lot of respect for 
GEM's ability in the Clarkson game.

But I still say: my governor (Vorlons) is the hardest working gov in the
universe.  Heck, he worked harder on my race than I did.

Anyway, justwanted to add this little bit of revisionism from the history
books of the Creepazoids.

Slugs and Kisses,
         -Creepy





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