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see if you can get a cable modem or DSL service.
contact your phone or cable company and check.

playing Q3 with a 35 ping will bring
tears of joy to your eyes...


goody <goody@goodyworld.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kULZ4.2946$J5.152825@stones...
> I've just got Q3 and I've been playing it online (very badly) for a couple
> or 3 nights. I have a question concerning ping times ..... how do I get
them
> lower - they are currently around 200-300. I have an Athlon500, Matrox
G400,
> SupraSST 56k modem and connect to the interent via a variety of ISPs - F9,
> Madasafish etc.
>
> Are there any FAQs to set up my modem or to tweak some windows settings? I
> saw somwehere about setting up different profiles on my modem but I am not
> sure about this.
>
> Any help and/or assistance would be great so that I can reduce my ping
> times!!
>
>
> TIA
>
> Goody
>
> --
>
>
>
>

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:23:30 +0100, "goody" <goody@goodyworld.co.uk>
wrote:

>----------->>>>> SupraSST 56k modem <<<<<<<<<---------

Internal Winmodem. A big no-no for online gaming. Huge pings
guaranteed.

Get an external. I'll leave it to the non-LPB fraternity to recommend
one.

I have dsl and I get a ping around 50 - 100 on most servers.  Probably
because my dsl modem is internal.

Do you really get a 35 ping?

I would love a 35 ping.

BongCyborg <jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov> wrote in message
news:rrPZ4.11124$Zm5.747371@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> see if you can get a cable modem or DSL service.
> contact your phone or cable company and check.
>
> playing Q3 with a 35 ping will bring
> tears of joy to your eyes...
>
>
> goody <goody@goodyworld.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kULZ4.2946$J5.152825@stones...
> > I've just got Q3 and I've been playing it online (very badly) for a
couple
> > or 3 nights. I have a question concerning ping times ..... how do I get
> them
> > lower - they are currently around 200-300. I have an Athlon500, Matrox
> G400,
> > SupraSST 56k modem and connect to the interent via a variety of ISPs -
F9,
> > Madasafish etc.
> >
> > Are there any FAQs to set up my modem or to tweak some windows settings?
I
> > saw somwehere about setting up different profiles on my modem but I am
not
> > sure about this.
> >
> > Any help and/or assistance would be great so that I can reduce my ping
> > times!!
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Goody
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Run a tracert (traceroute) to an arbitrary server (say, www.sun.com).  Then read
off the first line of numbers - if it's higher than a few ms, then there is a
possibility that a different modem will improve the first-hop latency.  A new
modem cannot reduce your total ping any more than that amount.  Don't bother
upgrading to a different modem just for 5-10ms - it's probably a complete waste
of time - better to try a different ISP.

Dave

George Castanza wrote:
> 
> I have dsl and I get a ping around 50 - 100 on most servers.  Probably
> because my dsl modem is internal.
> 
> Do you really get a 35 ping?
> 
> I would love a 35 ping.
> 
> BongCyborg <jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov> wrote in message
> news:rrPZ4.11124$Zm5.747371@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > see if you can get a cable modem or DSL service.
> > contact your phone or cable company and check.
> >
> > playing Q3 with a 35 ping will bring
> > tears of joy to your eyes...
> >

Erm.

Internal is faster, no USB carriage overheads.

And I can get a ping of 25 at best on ISDN 0800 F9 to F9 server. I ping at
around 35 average onf F9 server. Then around 30-60 on others.


MrPink
PokeMom, Gotta shag'em all !
www.uk-stomped.net

George Castanza wrote in message ...
>I have dsl and I get a ping around 50 - 100 on most servers.  Probably
>because my dsl modem is internal.
>
>Do you really get a 35 ping?
>
>I would love a 35 ping.
>
>BongCyborg <jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov> wrote in message
>news:rrPZ4.11124$Zm5.747371@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> see if you can get a cable modem or DSL service.
>> contact your phone or cable company and check.
>>
>> playing Q3 with a 35 ping will bring
>> tears of joy to your eyes...
>>
>>
>> goody <goody@goodyworld.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:kULZ4.2946$J5.152825@stones...
>> > I've just got Q3 and I've been playing it online (very badly) for a
>couple
>> > or 3 nights. I have a question concerning ping times ..... how do I get
>> them
>> > lower - they are currently around 200-300. I have an Athlon500, Matrox
>> G400,
>> > SupraSST 56k modem and connect to the interent via a variety of ISPs -
>F9,
>> > Madasafish etc.
>> >
>> > Are there any FAQs to set up my modem or to tweak some windows
settings?
>I
>> > saw somwehere about setting up different profiles on my modem but I am
>not
>> > sure about this.
>> >
>> > Any help and/or assistance would be great so that I can reduce my ping
>> > times!!
>> >
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
>> > Goody
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

i should receive royalties for your .signature!

On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:02 +0100, "MrPink" <pink@pink-zone.co.uk> wrote:

>Erm.
>
>Internal is faster, no USB carriage overheads.
>
>And I can get a ping of 25 at best on ISDN 0800 F9 to F9 server. I ping at
>around 35 average onf F9 server. Then around 30-60 on others.
>
>
>MrPink
>PokeMom, Gotta shag'em all !
>www.uk-stomped.net

WHY ?

Its my creation, F'Garv!!!


^Vigil^ <@.> wrote in message <39392acb.6715351@usenet.f9.net.uk>...
>i should receive royalties for your .signature!
>
>On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:02 +0100, "MrPink" <pink@pink-zone.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Erm.
>>
>>Internal is faster, no USB carriage overheads.
>>
>>And I can get a ping of 25 at best on ISDN 0800 F9 to F9 server. I ping at
>>around 35 average onf F9 server. Then around 30-60 on others.
>>
>>
>>MrPink
>>PokeMom, Gotta shag'em all !
>>www.uk-stomped.net

hehe Kane is right - you won't get anywhere with a software modem.  As a
modem user, I've already gone through the modem set up pain, with 3 in the
bin - so heres the main points again:-

1...No software modems - this is number 1 - chuck it.  I have a Diamond
SupraExpress56e and get pings of under 120 on a good night to the Q2 server.
Internal or external makes little difference - as long as your internal
modem is not a software modem.  USR modems are also pretty useless for
online gaming.

2...Bandwidth is not that important for online gaming.  Q2 doesn't even fill
33Kb/s.  what is important is the time taken for each INDIVIDUAL packet to
travel from A to B.  So what makes a good gaming modem is a high speed DSP
capable of processing the compression/error correcting code and actually
doing the modulation quicker.  The diamond modems are very quick.  I've
heard good things about the Pace products too - but have no experience.

3...If you use Windows as your dial up platform, note that the "speed"
setting refers to the speed between your modem and PC - NOT the modem
connection speed.  You should set this to the maximum possible which for
most serial UARTS is 115.2Kb/s.  THIS APPLIES TO INTERNAL MODEMS ALSO.  They
just have a serial UART on the same card as the modem - the fact that there
is no cable makes NO difference.

4...STAC compression is faster than most modems own compression, so if you
ISP does it, use it.  You may have to upgrade the ppp drivers for Windows to
do this.



Thats most of it.  If you want to get clever for that extra bit of speed -
note these things:-

1...Data is transmitted to and from the server in fixed size "packets".  For
streaming applications like file transfer and web browsing (essentially a
load of small file transfers) the bigger the packets the better, becasue the
overhead to process a packet is not directly proportional to the size.  Of
course, if a packet is corrupt on arrival (or just gets lost) then the
bigger the packet the more you have lost (which must be re-transmitted), so
you must adjust the packet size to suit the quality of the connection.  Now
then.  For games, the important thing is not throughput, but speed - so the
optimum size of packet is the size of a game "frame packet" plus about 40
bytes for the TCP/IP header.  I dont have the numbers to hand as I write,
but if you can work out how big a Q3 (for eg) packet is, you can set your
packet size to 40 bytes more than that.   These values will be refrred to as
MRU and MTU (max recieve and max transmit unit sizes).  If you make your
packet size any smaller - then each game frame will be sent in more then one
packet - doubling the apcket overhead.  Its all about eggs and baskets -
smaller baskets go faster, but you need one large enough to hold one egg.
Large baskets carry more then one egg - but if you drop it you lose the
lot - plus there is absolutely no point in an interactive conversation in
being able to carry more than one egg - as the game lays them one at a time
:)

2...get a real OS to do your dial up :)  I use an old Linux server to dial
ISPs - my Windows box uses that as a gateway to the net.  The main
advantages are a small speed increase, you dont get disconnected if you
windows machine resets, and there are more prowerful tools for tuning,
debugging and monitoring network traffic.



For more details on tuning up Q3 specifically check this:-

http://www.upsetchaps.com/quake3guide/AquaQuake3Guide.html

They are a little confused about some of the more technical aspects of IP -
notably about packet sizes - they go on about setting the size to "the same
as your ISP" doh.  The remote end will negotiate a packet size to suit both
(usually about 1472 bytes - way too large for games).  There advice is more
suited to tradional applications like web browsing.  The rest is sound
though - pay attention tot he game settings bits.

When you've done all that - sit back and marvel at how absolutely shite Q3
is with a ping of more than 130 - and order ISDN.....

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CF Kane III wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:23:30 +0100, "goody" <goody@goodyworld.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>----------->>>>> SupraSST 56k modem <<<<<<<<<---------
>
>Internal Winmodem. A big no-no for online gaming. Huge pings
>guaranteed.
>
>Get an external. I'll leave it to the non-LPB fraternity to recommend
>one.
>
>

> Internal is faster, no USB carriage overheads.
>
> And I can get a ping of 25 at best on ISDN 0800 F9 to F9 server. I ping at
> around 35 average onf F9 server. Then around 30-60 on others.

Anybody got one of those external USB connected BT openworld DSL modems?

Im meant to be gettging one as part ofd the BT openworld DSL free package.


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