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"SnuFF" <reply@the.group> wrote in message
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> I hate you all
>
> No not really :o)  I want some advice from ya guys.
> I'm gonna be switching to ADSL before the year is out.
>
> What I wanna know is which is the best isp or stable isp for adsl?

BT is top of the food chain, like it or not, so you have to ask "why NOT go
with BT?" rather than why or who with IMHO.

>
> Is the ethernet version viable or do I go for USB modem?

The USB stingray thing is fine, ideally use an old box as Router NAT....

>
> What about different makes of modem?

Alcatel supplied by BT

>
> What is my intial outlay gonna be to get up and running?

Dunno, ask BT

>
> What about these lag spikes - is it sorted yet?

short of a proper leased line it is the bext game in town, so you have to
eat the shortfalls as and when they occur, by and large you will never miss
your modem days....

>
> And anything else you think I should know, or is woth knowing.

yes, ALL flavours of ADSL from BT have just the one upload speed of 256
kbits/sec...
some other adsl / cable providers only give 128 kbits/sec upstream, do not
underestimate the importance of your upstream bandwidth

I'm not UK but using a nic is much more desirable than USB.  USB is fine for
keyboards and mice and printers but not for high speed data transfer.  Only
go USB if you have to.

--
Steve � Inglo
ICQ 65545522


"SnuFF" <reply@the.group> wrote in message
news:9m17ce$13k$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I hate you all
>
> No not really :o)  I want some advice from ya guys.
> I'm gonna be switching to ADSL before the year is out.
>
> What I wanna know is which is the best isp or stable isp for adsl?
>
> Is the ethernet version viable or do I go for USB modem?
>
> What about different makes of modem?
>
> What is my intial outlay gonna be to get up and running?
>
> What about these lag spikes - is it sorted yet?
>
> And anything else you think I should know, or is woth knowing.
>
> thanks guys.
> --
> Regards,
> Carl
> ==-SnuFF-==
>
>

Just got my ADSL about a month ago, loving it to bits, thats with BT Openwoe
BTW. Problems I have experinced so far with BT is the Newservers are crap
and the PL problem. However, from reading the Newsgroups about Openworld,
one guy was told that BT have found a fix for this, and are updating all the
HG's as we speak, should take 7-10 days, and they are 50% done. Sounded like
crap to me but for the past 2 days I have had the best connection for gaming
I've ever had, so here's hoping!
     The USB modem sucks the big one, its the equivelent of a winmodem or
software modem. So yes the Ethernet version would yeild a better connection
and lower pings. Or you could swap the Fish (without telling BT ; )  ) for a
router (approx �200) or do as AWUK suggested and use and old machine for a
router (shameless plug section), to which there is a very interesting guide
by a friend of mine all about setting up a Linux Firewall/router on an old
machine, dont even need a Harddrive! which can be found at
http://www.viperlair.com
     The other option u can take is to buy an internal PCI ADSL modem, agian
this is a software modem, but genereally doesnt use as much system overheads
as the USB version. These can be had for about �130 for the D-Link version.
     All in all, even considering the outages and the Newservers, I am over
the moon!!!!!!! I'm having the time of my life in quake3 and when you watch
that online streaming video run straight from the web ......................
WOW!!!!!!
     I agree with AWUK, in that you may as well go with BT for an ISP,
however if you can afford it get the Ethernet version, if not, you could try
the suggestion I made above. Let us know how your install goes and enjoy
life in the fast lane : )   www.ooooooooooosh!!!!!

oh yeah, some sites and newsgroups that have helped me a great deal over the
last month are :

http://www.adslguide.org.uk
http://www.btofaq.net
news:uk.telecoms.broadband

And remember, you're gonna see a lot of Horror stories about ADSL and Cable
across the country, but no-one writes about the good service, there to busy
surfing : )


--
pF.VoOdoO
[Sleep is for the Dead]
ICQ# 76281589
mailto:voodoo at p0rn0finish dot org

Q3 Newbies FAQ : http://www.agqx.org/q3newbiefaq.htm
Q3 Technical FAQ : http://www.agqx.org/SANDVFAQ.htm
Viperlair Tech News : http://www.viperlair.com
pF Homepage : http://www.p0rn0finish.org/
AGQx Homepage : http://www.agqx.org/

Id checkout the BTOpenworld gaming/complaint groups before you consider
getting BTO for gaming.
Anth

"pF.VoOdoO�" <none@fuctifino.com> wrote in message
news:zxZg7.24356$lN3.92727@NewsReader...
> Just got my ADSL about a month ago, loving it to bits, thats with BT
Openwoe
> BTW. Problems I have experinced so far with BT is the Newservers are crap
> and the PL problem. However, from reading the Newsgroups about Openworld,
> one guy was told that BT have found a fix for this, and are updating all
the
> HG's as we speak, should take 7-10 days, and they are 50% done. Sounded
like
> crap to me but for the past 2 days I have had the best connection for
gaming
> I've ever had, so here's hoping!
>      The USB modem sucks the big one, its the equivelent of a winmodem or
> software modem. So yes the Ethernet version would yeild a better
connection
> and lower pings. Or you could swap the Fish (without telling BT ; )  ) for
a
> router (approx �200) or do as AWUK suggested and use and old machine for a
> router (shameless plug section), to which there is a very interesting
guide
> by a friend of mine all about setting up a Linux Firewall/router on an old
> machine, dont even need a Harddrive! which can be found at
> http://www.viperlair.com
>      The other option u can take is to buy an internal PCI ADSL modem,
agian
> this is a software modem, but genereally doesnt use as much system
overheads
> as the USB version. These can be had for about �130 for the D-Link
version.
>      All in all, even considering the outages and the Newservers, I am
over
> the moon!!!!!!! I'm having the time of my life in quake3 and when you
watch
> that online streaming video run straight from the web
......................
> WOW!!!!!!
>      I agree with AWUK, in that you may as well go with BT for an ISP,
> however if you can afford it get the Ethernet version, if not, you could
try
> the suggestion I made above. Let us know how your install goes and enjoy
> life in the fast lane : )   www.ooooooooooosh!!!!!
>
> oh yeah, some sites and newsgroups that have helped me a great deal over
the
> last month are :
>
> http://www.adslguide.org.uk
> http://www.btofaq.net
> news:uk.telecoms.broadband
>
> And remember, you're gonna see a lot of Horror stories about ADSL and
Cable
> across the country, but no-one writes about the good service, there to
busy
> surfing : )
>
>
> --
> pF.VoOdoO
> [Sleep is for the Dead]
> ICQ# 76281589
> mailto:voodoo at p0rn0finish dot org
>
> Q3 Newbies FAQ : http://www.agqx.org/q3newbiefaq.htm
> Q3 Technical FAQ : http://www.agqx.org/SANDVFAQ.htm
> Viperlair Tech News : http://www.viperlair.com
> pF Homepage : http://www.p0rn0finish.org/
> AGQx Homepage : http://www.agqx.org/
>
>

"Anth" <a.crawley2@FILTER.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9m2igq$49f$1@uranium.btinternet.com...
> Id checkout the BTOpenworld gaming/complaint groups before you consider
> getting BTO for gaming.
> Anth
>

this is only a semi valid point, the vast majority of problems are often
ignorant users who operate on folklore and guesswork and whenever anything
goes wrong "oh well (insert company name) sux"

the number of times I have had people complaining that such and such a web
server / site is down/slow/sucks etc and yet when you *make* that person use
linx looking glass all of a sudden there is bugger all wrong with the
server, it is their connection, dig a bit deeper and it may well be the
service provider, but then again you often find that the user has "tweaked"
their ADSL settings according so some script on a website and has as a
result actually reduced the performance....

go to fosi.da.ru and download neotrace to find out exactly where the delays
are and packet losses are between you and any IP address on the planet, you
might be surprised.

as for BT adsl being crap, let me put it this way, I run a NAT / firewall
box which handles the home 500 bt adsl usb modem connection, 256 Kbits/sec
upstream and 512 Kbits/sec downstream, apart from providing full net access
for the 4 machines on the home lan, it runs an ftp server, a chat server,
and a dedicated q3 server, and will shortly be adding another q3 server for
custom maps, all simultaneously, and guys 300 miles away on cable modems are
getting consistent pings in the 70s and modem users just over 120, with the
exception of one guy on an ntl dial up who is *very* intermittent, anything
between 250 to 800, but then he cannot get more than 1.5 Kb/sec out of his
56k modem and the problem is 95% due to his particular dial up connection
and very bad copper...

the comments about bt newsgroups being crap are fair, but 20 quid a year for
claranews solves that too.

no way is bt adsl good enough for business, there is no SLA for starters,
and no good for http servers, too much latency, but for everything else,
what are the alternatives, unless you stump up for a dedicated leased fibre
its the best game in town and you just have to eat the problems like we used
to eat busy tones on modems or 4kbits out of our 14.4 kbit modems...  its
only 30 odd quid a month for chrissake, bye bye hundreds of pounds per
quarter phone bill, and bye bye only-tenner-a-month-but-really-naff-and-slow
will-i-get-kicked-this-month for "overuse" of my "unlimited" connection.

just do it

Just   athought have a look at these peeps
static ip blar blar

http://www.griffin.co.uk

"SnuFF" <reply@the.group> wrote in message
news:9m17ce$13k$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I hate you all
>
> No not really :o)  I want some advice from ya guys.
> I'm gonna be switching to ADSL before the year is out.
>
> What I wanna know is which is the best isp or stable isp for adsl?
>
> Is the ethernet version viable or do I go for USB modem?
>
> What about different makes of modem?
>
> What is my intial outlay gonna be to get up and running?
>
> What about these lag spikes - is it sorted yet?
>
> And anything else you think I should know, or is woth knowing.
>
> thanks guys.
> --
> Regards,
> Carl
> ==-SnuFF-==
>
>

A friend got BT DSL with the USB modem and it was a nightmare to get
working. Numerous phone calls to BT were pointless as they appeared to have
no idea and came back with the usual nonsense of the problem being some bit
of software - ALWAYS got for the ethernet version be it cable or DSL!

BT DSL is very expensive compared to cable so look to see if NTL or Telewest
have cable in your area first.

Jan.


"Luke" <Reply@Group.com> wrote in message
news:9m3dab$548$1@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> Just   athought have a look at these peeps
> static ip blar blar
>
> http://www.griffin.co.uk
>
> "SnuFF" <reply@the.group> wrote in message
> news:9m17ce$13k$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I hate you all
> >
> > No not really :o)  I want some advice from ya guys.
> > I'm gonna be switching to ADSL before the year is out.
> >
> > What I wanna know is which is the best isp or stable isp for adsl?
> >
> > Is the ethernet version viable or do I go for USB modem?
> >
> > What about different makes of modem?
> >
> > What is my intial outlay gonna be to get up and running?
> >
> > What about these lag spikes - is it sorted yet?
> >
> > And anything else you think I should know, or is woth knowing.
> >
> > thanks guys.
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Carl
> > ==-SnuFF-==
> >
> >
>
>