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btdcs207@csd.uwe.ac.uk (DOC) writes:


>So, I got down to about the same amount of energy as him, and I used my judgement pretty well and decided to do the 'walk towards them' that Z can do that
>frightens Ken players so that he would dragon.
>The kid obliged and I took the dragon which took me down to no energy, where
>I then SPD'd him, to cries of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP from the kid.
>Now, I thought it was pretty good judgement on my part to force a dragon
>so that I could Spd him.  Is it cheap or not ?  Just so I know for in future.

 No, it's not cheap.  Annoying, yes.  Cheap, no.  It's sorta like saying
Guile crouching over in a corner, throwing Sonic Booms and waiting for a
Razor Kick opportunity's cheap.  I really HATE when that happens, but it's not
cheap.

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In <1993Jan27.085700.4357@csd.uwe.ac.uk> btdcs207@csd.uwe.ac.uk (DOC) writes:

>so, it was 1 round a piece.  In the third round, I did pretty well, and go him
>down to about 1.25 of an inh of energy.  He saw this, and as I only had about
>2 inches of energy left myself, he decided to use the fireball-fireball
>dragon when jumped method against me.
>So, I got down to about the same amount of energy as him, and I used my judgement pretty well and decided to do the 'walk towards them' that Z can do that
>frightens Ken players so that he would dragon.
>The kid obliged and I took the dragon which took me down to no energy, where
>I then SPD'd him, to cries of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP from the kid.
>Now, I thought it was pretty good judgement on my part to force a dragon
>so that I could Spd him.  Is it cheap or not ?  Just so I know for in future.


>Scott

He did a DP and you got him with an SPD on the way down.  They are vulnerable
on the wayt down.  If anything's cheap, it's the DP with all it's 
invulnerability.  Hell no, it's not cheap.  Good move on your part.  Take a
little damage and give a lot.  Like someone said earlier, "If it hits you,
it's cheap".  That's the cry of most players.  Let his whining ass go away.
I've been experimenting with the "double throw" lately with some success.  I
hear cries of cheap, but then when they tick me, it's OK.

Well, the double throw is this: (I've seen computer Guile do this)

Throw someone in the corner.  (walk up semi close to fallen body)
As they get up, wait until they release their block.
(You must move QUICKLY)
Throw them again.

What happens is that they get thrown, then thrown again without having to do
a jab or short in the middle of it.  Cheap?  Well, you decide.

btdcs207@csd.uwe.ac.uk (DOC) writes:

>Ok, I need some advice on whether this is cheap or not.  I am normally a ken/
>ryu player, but recently I have decided to try Zangief.  Whilst practicing 
>with the Z man yesterday I got challenged by a dragon happy ken.

>I got hammered in the first round, and so seeing this he let up a bit in the
>next round where I ended up coming off the better of what we thought was a 
>double KO.

>so, it was 1 round a piece.  In the third round, I did pretty well, and go him
>down to about 1.25 of an inh of energy.  He saw this, and as I only had about
>2 inches of energy left myself, he decided to use the fireball-fireball
>dragon when jumped method against me.
>So, I got down to about the same amount of energy as him, and I used my judgement pretty well and decided to do the 'walk towards them' that Z can do that
>frightens Ken players so that he would dragon.
>The kid obliged and I took the dragon which took me down to no energy, where
>I then SPD'd him, to cries of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP from the kid.
>Now, I thought it was pretty good judgement on my part to force a dragon
>so that I could Spd him.  Is it cheap or not ?  Just so I know for in future.

Nothing is more irritating than getting admonished by a whiner who screams
CHEAP soley on the grounds that you won, fair-and-square.  There's a lot of them
out there.   You see, it would have been a perfectly fair match if you just
stood there and allowed your opponent to pound the crap out of you, but because
you used your brain, that's cheap.

Bottom line: it ain't cheap, and do it again if the situation presents itself
in the future!

Jason
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>Ok, I need some advice on whether this is cheap or not.  I am normally a ken/
>ryu player, but recently I have decided to try Zangief.  Whilst practicing 
>with the Z man yesterday I got challenged by a dragon happy ken.

>I got hammered in the first round, and so seeing this he let up a bit in the
>next round where I ended up coming off the better of what we thought was a 
>double KO.

>so, it was 1 round a piece.  In the third round, I did pretty well, and go him
>down to about 1.25 of an inh of energy.  He saw this, and as I only had about
>2 inches of energy left myself, he decided to use the fireball-fireball
>dragon when jumped method against me.
>So, I got down to about the same amount of energy as him, and I used my judgement pretty well and decided to do the 'walk towards them' that Z can do that
>frightens Ken players so that he would dragon.
>The kid obliged and I took the dragon which took me down to no energy, where
>I then SPD'd him, to cries of CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP from the kid.
>Now, I thought it was pretty good judgement on my part to force a dragon
>so that I could Spd him.  Is it cheap or not ?  Just so I know for in future.

I can't wait for the day on which no one thinks anything is cheap.  This was
not even close to being cheap.  It was the Ken's fault for missing with the
DP in the first place.  If you miss with a DP, you deserve to pay, the ultimate
price if necessary.  It was a good call on your part to seal the victory by
making him do something he thought he could get away with.  Sure, it's sneaky,
but that stuff will win you matches.  The bottom line is you won.

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bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:

>>Is it cheap or not ?  Just so I know for in future.

Well, I'm not here to hand out stamps of approval for everybody who beats
a whiner.  There is no formal definition of what's cheap.  You beat your
opponent.  Whether or not you beat your opponent 'fairly' or not is
irrelevant, because the object is to win and preserve your quarter, not
your chivalric reputation.

>>Scott

>Well, the double throw is this: (I've seen computer Guile do this)

>Throw someone in the corner.  (walk up semi close to fallen body)
>As they get up, wait until they release their block.
>(You must move QUICKLY)
>Throw them again.

>What happens is that they get thrown, then thrown again without having to do
>a jab or short in the middle of it.  Cheap?  Well, you decide.

Of course not.  Your opponent is simply an idiot for not throwing you
immediately when he got up.  You will NOT get the throw if this is
what they try.  However, it's a good move because based on your judgment
of their playing style, you detected and took advantage of this weakness
in their playing style.  You are cheap because you performed a move
outside of their playing style which took advantage of the weaknesses
in that chosen style.  This is part of the fun of playing SF.  'Sizing
up' your opponent and figuring out his weaknesses in two or three rounds
is quite enjoyable if your opponent is good.  Unfortunately, this job
is too easy against 'criers of cheap'.  Blatantly ignoring their gaping
weaknesses and purposefully not taking advantage of them is not fun and
neither is blatantly taking advantage of their weaknesses.  What IS fun
are the little psychological games you can play with them, and learning
novel ways to exploit their weaknesses.  Your move above is one of the
amusing 'no-throw scrub death' anecdotes I like to hear about.

Here's another:
Walk straight up to an opponent as he's getting up.  Start walking back
before he gets up.  Do a jab DP on his roundhouse sweep.  Next time,
do the same thing, except instead of doing the jab DP, walk in and
throw.  You might be called 'cheap' for hitting their roundhouse with the
DP (as I was).  You will certainly be called cheap for throwing them :-).

Note:  The above move works well against people who throw too.  However,
you have to do it outside of their throw range and must use a fast
character like Chun Li or Vega.

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In <C1JLBH.8qL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent) writes:

>>Well, the double throw is this: (I've seen computer Guile do this)

>>Throw someone in the corner.  (walk up semi close to fallen body)
>>As they get up, wait until they release their block.
>>(You must move QUICKLY)
>>Throw them again.

>>What happens is that they get thrown, then thrown again without having to do
>>a jab or short in the middle of it.  Cheap?  Well, you decide.

>Of course not.  Your opponent is simply an idiot for not throwing you
		 				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>immediately when he got up.  You will NOT get the throw if this is
>what they try.  However, it's a good move because based on your judgment
>of their playing style, you detected and took advantage of this weakness
>in their playing style.  You are cheap because you performed a move
>outside of their playing style which took advantage of the weaknesses
>in that chosen style.  This is part of the fun of playing SF.  'Sizing
>up' your opponent and figuring out his weaknesses in two or three rounds
>is quite enjoyable if your opponent is good.  Unfortunately, this job
>is too easy against 'criers of cheap'.  Blatantly ignoring their gaping
>weaknesses and purposefully not taking advantage of them is not fun and
>neither is blatantly taking advantage of their weaknesses.  What IS fun
>are the little psychological games you can play with them, and learning
>novel ways to exploit their weaknesses.  Your move above is one of the
>amusing 'no-throw scrub death' anecdotes I like to hear about.

It's a surprise move.  If I did it all the time I would get killed.  This 
works because the opponent isn't really expecting a throw JUST AFTER he got
thrown.  After throwing them the first time (I said get semi close to them;
what I meant was stand OUTSIDE their throwing range), then walk in again and
throw.  Of course, I don't walk RIGHT UP to the fallen body, cuz I'll get 
thrown (DUH!).  I throw them, and right after getting up there's a small pause
right after he releases his block after getting thrown the first time.  Works 
well when the opponent is in the corner, because it's totally unexpected.
Leaves your opponent with his mouth hanging low.  Weird looking tick.

>Here's another:
>Walk straight up to an opponent as he's getting up.  Start walking back
>before he gets up.  Do a jab DP on his roundhouse sweep.  Next time,
>do the same thing, except instead of doing the jab DP, walk in and
>throw.  You might be called 'cheap' for hitting their roundhouse with the
>DP (as I was).  You will certainly be called cheap for throwing them :-).

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!!  exactly
after the roundhouse sweep, throw again.  Works well.  Even you say it too.
Actually, the opponent doesn't have to roundhouse sweep to get thrown again.

>Note:  The above move works well against people who throw too.  However,
>you have to do it outside of their throw range and must use a fast
>character like Chun Li or Vega.

I used Guile and it works pretty good with him, too

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>Eu-Ming Lee (aka CyberGeek)                      el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>If you have nothing good to say, sit down, shut up, and post to USENET.