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Started by Larry Kahn
Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:31
Foul shot vs out of turn
Author: Larry Kahn
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:31
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:31
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Let me see if I have this straight. Dave (red) and I (blue) are playing
Jon (green) and Alan (yellow). Blue has just gone, then Alan plays his
yellow. This is out of turn, and either the shot is accepted and blue now
goes, or else the shot goes back and green shoots. If this had been a
singles game, it would have been considered a foul shot, and if accepted
then it is red to go. (This is not what Natwa had been doing for years
but I think the new interperetation is probably more consistent).
Returning to the pairs game, if it was Jon's turn to shoot and Alan
shot green instead, is this a foul shot or out of turn? Clearly if the
shot is not accepted, Jon then will play green, but if the shot is
accepted, which color plays next?
Larry
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Re: Foul shot vs out of turn
Author: Josef Sachs
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:36
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:36
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>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:31:57 GMT, lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) said: lkahn> Let me see if I have this straight. Dave (red) and I lkahn> (blue) are playing Jon (green) and Alan (yellow). Blue lkahn> has just gone, then Alan plays his yellow. This is out lkahn> of turn, and either the shot is accepted and blue now lkahn> goes, or else the shot goes back and green shoots. Based on my understanding of NATwA rules at the time of TROFCT79, that is what we would do in NATwA. However, it appears to be contrary to ETwA92 Rule 12 Section (d), which calls for red to play next if the yellow shot is accepted. I'm sure someone will let me know if the NATwA rule was changed during my absence from the game. lkahn> If this had been a singles game, it would have been lkahn> considered a foul shot, and if accepted then it is red lkahn> to go. (This is not what Natwa had been doing for lkahn> years but I think the new interperetation is probably lkahn> more consistent). Under ETwA92, it would be red to play, regardless of whether the yellow shot was considered a foul shot or out-of-turn. In NATwA, I would argue that it should be considered out-of-turn, with blue to play if accepted. In my mind, part of the honor of the game is to take into account intentions. In your example, if the singles player plays yellow, with the intention of playing yellow and in the belief that it was yellow's turn to play, then that should be considered yellow out-of-turn and not a foul shot in green's turn. In other words, I think of the singles player as two separate players, depending upon the color intended to be shot, residing in a single body. lkahn> Returning to the pairs game, if it lkahn> was Jon's turn to shoot and Alan shot green instead, is lkahn> this a foul shot or out of turn? It is a foul shot (not to be confused with a foul shot (otherwise known as a free throw) in basketball, which is worth one point). lkahn> Clearly if the shot is not accepted, Jon then will play green, lkahn> but if the shot is accepted, which color plays next? Under both ETwA92 and TROFCT79, it would clearly be red to play. Under NATwA rules, I would also adjudicate red to play, although with considerably less assuredness, since I believe the rules to dictate the order of colors as opposed to the order of players (theoretically the same). -- Josef Sachs \ Morgan Stanley & Co., Inc. sachs@FID.Morgan.COM \ 1251 Avenue of the Americas Fixed Income Research Department \ New York, NY 10020 USA (212) 703-7031 \
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