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noone@nowhere.com wrote:

>Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing 
>off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court 
>judge ruled Jan 27.

And you posted this off-topic article here because?


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"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the 
21st century."

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:15:16 +0100, 
DISHONEST and SUBMORONIC BIGOT, BILL TAYLOR,
**FORGED** "No One" <noone@nowhere.com> !


     The REAL poster calling himself "No One" has been AWAY from 
Usenet for several weeks or months -- and he is a FAIR-minded 
EGALITARIAN who stands up for and defends civil & human rights
and personal liberties for ALL people.

     He is the OPPOSITE of the sewer-rat-turd BIGOT, Bill Taylor,
who is such a LOWLIFE that he **besmirches** "No One's" 
image (or TRIES to; hopefully, most people in these groups know
that these are forgeries, and KNOW what a total and ignorant
a-hole "Taylor" is.  "Taylor" -- the craven COWARD who claims
that's his name, knowing that there are tens of thousands of 
"Bill Taylors," just in the USA alone.

    Few people could possibly be bigger LOSERS than he is!

<*FORGED* swill flushed>

    **FORGERS** have ZERO credibility!

   The ACTUAL "No One," as I just pointed out above, is an EGALI-
TARIAN who **never** would have posted any of the asinine hate-
SWILL that the LOWLIFE "Bill Taylor" has been spewing/ PARROTING 
under that alias.

    The REAL "No One," even though using an alias, has WELL-estab-
lished his reputation for years in here as an unwavering egalitarian, 
and by  trying to BESMIRCH him as "Taylor" has been doing so IDIOT-
ICALLY and hatefully, "Taylor" has been REMINDING everyone that 
he is utterly worthless POND SCUM and a DREG on society.

     HERE is a *typical* FAIR-minded post by the ACTUAL person who
until a few months ago regularly posted in here as "No One." It's from 
2005 -- three years before "Proposition Hate" in California... complete 
with the original header data:

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: California same-sex marriage bill alive again
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After dying in the California state assembly, a bill legalizing
same-sex marriages is back to life.  See

<http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/12/state/n182826D97.DTL>

for details.

The parliamentary procedure used is too complex to describe in 10
sentences or less, so just ignore that man behind the curtain. :-)
Meanwhile the religious nuts are having a fit, with much wailing and
gnashing of teeth.  The hope is that it will pass the state senate and
have a better chance of passing in the assembly with (a) more time to
convince assembly-persons and (b) a state-senate precedent.

                                          = = = = = = =

On Feb 2, 7:15 am, "No One" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
> 11444.aspx
>
> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
> judge ruled Jan 27.
>
> Crown prosecutor Ann Seymour had sought a hate-crime designation
> at the assailant’s sentencing hearing in November. The youth
> knew the victim was gay before he assaulted him. "He called him
> a ‘fucking faggot’ several times as he assaulted him," Seymour
> told Judge Rosemary Gallagher.
>
> "The response was a violent one and an insulting one," Seymour
> argued. "The accused punched the complainant in the face and
> kicked him numerous times. The force of the punch was so strong
> it broke the complainant's jaw. He was called not only a
> 'faggot' but a 'fucking faggot' and these statements were
> uttered in anger.”
>

The "we are better than others" queer cabal HATES it when people are
treated like...people.

On Feb 2, 6:15 am, "No One" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
> 11444.aspx
>
> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
> judge ruled Jan 27.
>
> Crown prosecutor Ann Seymour had sought a hate-crime designation
> at the assailant’s sentencing hearing in November. The youth
> knew the victim was gay before he assaulted him. "He called him
> a ‘fucking faggot’ several times as he assaulted him," Seymour
> told Judge Rosemary Gallagher.
>
> "The response was a violent one and an insulting one," Seymour
> argued. "The accused punched the complainant in the face and
> kicked him numerous times. The force of the punch was so strong
> it broke the complainant's jaw. He was called not only a
> 'faggot' but a 'fucking faggot' and these statements were
> uttered in anger.”
>
> After changing his plea several times and dragging the court
> proceedings through multiple delays, the youth, who can’t be
> named because he was under 18 at the time of the incident,
> finally pled guilty in September 2011. But he disputed the hate-
> crime designation. "I've got no problem with gay people,” he
> said in a pre-sentencing report.
>
> According to the case’s agreed statement of facts, the youth had
> repeatedly called and asked to meet with a female friend of the
> victim's in the early hours of Dec 13, 2009. Seymour told the
> court that the youth and the woman had a child together.
>
> The youth showed up outside the house where the woman and the
> victim, whose name is also protected by a court order, were
> attending a party. When they left the party, the youth followed
> them.
>
> The woman told the youth to "go home to his parents." When the
> victim also tried to dissuade the youth from following them, the
> youth told him to "shut up, you faggot."
>
> The youth then kicked and punched the victim repeatedly. Police
> were called, and the youth was arrested at the scene. The
> victim's jaw was broken in two places and required eight screws,
> plates and two surgeries to heal.
>
> The youth’s lawyer, Evi Dos Santos, argued that his client’s use
> of the term faggot did not indicate bias. "It doesn't mean ‘shut
> up because you're a faggot,’" he told Gallagher at the
> sentencing hearing. "It means ‘shut up because I don't want you
> to interfere.’"
>
> Seymour urged Gallagher to apply the judicial test for a
> gaybashing established by Justice Joel Groves in the Michael
> Kandola decision in 2010.
>
> An attack is likely a hate-motivated gaybashing if an attacker
> uses homophobic language such as “faggot” before, during or
> after the incident; if the attack takes place in a gay area; if
> there was no previous interaction between the parties; and if no
> alternate explanation is available, Groves ruled in April 2010
> as he sentenced Kandola to 17 months in prison for breaking
> Jordan Smith’s jaw as he walked hand-in-hand with another man on
> Davie St.
>
> In applying the Kandola criteria to this case, Gallagher found
> that the agreed statement of facts did "not establish beyond a
> reasonable doubt that the offence happened because the victim
> was gay."
>
> She said the offence did not happen in a highly visible
> homosexual area. And, she said, it was "arguable" whether or not
> the violence was extreme or disproportionate.
>
> Gallagher took into account the 104 days the youth has spent in
> jail since the offence and sentenced him to 12 months probation
> for assault causing bodily harm. He must also write a letter of
> apology to the gay man he attacked.
>
> “This is a senseless, unprovoked attack on a stranger,” the
> judge told the youth, who sat in prison fatigues and leg
> shackles beside his lawyer.
>
> In her reasons for judgment, Gallagher said the assault happened
> because the youth got angry at his girlfriend for going to a
> party instead of spending the night with him.
>
> The youth, now 20, is already in custody and facing deportation
> to the United States on unspecified matters.
>
> “I'm glad it's over," the victim told Xtra outside court. “I
> hope he learns from it. I have to forgive him. I can't hold a
> grudge."
>
> But, he added, "I think it's a hate crime, obviously."
>
> Gallagher noted the youth is originally from Havana, Cuba. His
> family moved to Florida in 1994 and then to Albuquerque, New
> Mexico. They then moved back to Tampa, then to Canada in 2009
> after his father was robbed at gunpoint three times.
>
> The youth has another child in Florida, the court heard.
>
> The parents are reportedly refugee claimants, but the youth has
> no status in Canada, the court heard.
>
> Gallagher said the youth stopped attending school when it was
> alleged he was selling narcotics on the school ground. No
> charges were laid.
>
> In February 2011, the youth (as an adult) was posted on
> Vancouver police's most-wanted list for alleged assault charges
> that were later stayed.

Well, punching anyone isnt very nice...even if its homosexuals.  We
should not harm their bodies, only their agenda to get everyone to
confess the lifestyle is permissable, noble, pure, and acceptable
despite the many thousands whove died from direct homosexual std's  .

On Feb 2, 6:40 am, "IlBenButtfucked @gmail.com" <Dimwitted Davie Boi>
wrote nothing worth repeating

And which sex act did you enjoy the most from that list you posted
yesterday?

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:15:16 +0100, "No One" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

>http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
>11444.aspx
>
>Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing 

Nice to see a judge doing what judges are supposed to do.

The idea of hate crimes is that the crime is motivated by the victim's
race, sexual preference, etc.  Calling someone a name -- which is common
in fights even when it's over something completely different than gender
preference -- doesn't transform a crime into a "hate crime".

On 2/2/12 9:40 AM, IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:15 am, "No One"<no...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>> http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
>> 11444.aspx
>>
>> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
>> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
>> judge ruled Jan 27.
>>
>> Crown prosecutor Ann Seymour had sought a hate-crime designation
>> at the assailant�s sentencing hearing in November. The youth
>> knew the victim was gay before he assaulted him. "He called him
>> a �fucking faggot� several times as he assaulted him," Seymour
>> told Judge Rosemary Gallagher.
>>
>> "The response was a violent one and an insulting one," Seymour
>> argued. "The accused punched the complainant in the face and
>> kicked him numerous times. The force of the punch was so strong
>> it broke the complainant's jaw. He was called not only a
>> 'faggot' but a 'fucking faggot' and these statements were
>> uttered in anger.�
>>
>> After changing his plea several times and dragging the court
>> proceedings through multiple delays, the youth, who can�t be
>> named because he was under 18 at the time of the incident,
>> finally pled guilty in September 2011. But he disputed the hate-
>> crime designation. "I've got no problem with gay people,� he
>> said in a pre-sentencing report.
>>
>> According to the case�s agreed statement of facts, the youth had
>> repeatedly called and asked to meet with a female friend of the
>> victim's in the early hours of Dec 13, 2009. Seymour told the
>> court that the youth and the woman had a child together.
>>
>> The youth showed up outside the house where the woman and the
>> victim, whose name is also protected by a court order, were
>> attending a party. When they left the party, the youth followed
>> them.
>>
>> The woman told the youth to "go home to his parents." When the
>> victim also tried to dissuade the youth from following them, the
>> youth told him to "shut up, you faggot."
>>
>> The youth then kicked and punched the victim repeatedly. Police
>> were called, and the youth was arrested at the scene. The
>> victim's jaw was broken in two places and required eight screws,
>> plates and two surgeries to heal.
>>
>> The youth�s lawyer, Evi Dos Santos, argued that his client�s use
>> of the term faggot did not indicate bias. "It doesn't mean �shut
>> up because you're a faggot,�" he told Gallagher at the
>> sentencing hearing. "It means �shut up because I don't want you
>> to interfere.�"
>>
>> Seymour urged Gallagher to apply the judicial test for a
>> gaybashing established by Justice Joel Groves in the Michael
>> Kandola decision in 2010.
>>
>> An attack is likely a hate-motivated gaybashing if an attacker
>> uses homophobic language such as �faggot� before, during or
>> after the incident; if the attack takes place in a gay area; if
>> there was no previous interaction between the parties; and if no
>> alternate explanation is available, Groves ruled in April 2010
>> as he sentenced Kandola to 17 months in prison for breaking
>> Jordan Smith�s jaw as he walked hand-in-hand with another man on
>> Davie St.
>>
>> In applying the Kandola criteria to this case, Gallagher found
>> that the agreed statement of facts did "not establish beyond a
>> reasonable doubt that the offence happened because the victim
>> was gay."
>>
>> She said the offence did not happen in a highly visible
>> homosexual area. And, she said, it was "arguable" whether or not
>> the violence was extreme or disproportionate.
>>
>> Gallagher took into account the 104 days the youth has spent in
>> jail since the offence and sentenced him to 12 months probation
>> for assault causing bodily harm. He must also write a letter of
>> apology to the gay man he attacked.
>>
>> �This is a senseless, unprovoked attack on a stranger,� the
>> judge told the youth, who sat in prison fatigues and leg
>> shackles beside his lawyer.
>>
>> In her reasons for judgment, Gallagher said the assault happened
>> because the youth got angry at his girlfriend for going to a
>> party instead of spending the night with him.
>>
>> The youth, now 20, is already in custody and facing deportation
>> to the United States on unspecified matters.
>>
>> �I'm glad it's over," the victim told Xtra outside court. �I
>> hope he learns from it. I have to forgive him. I can't hold a
>> grudge."
>>
>> But, he added, "I think it's a hate crime, obviously."
>>
>> Gallagher noted the youth is originally from Havana, Cuba. His
>> family moved to Florida in 1994 and then to Albuquerque, New
>> Mexico. They then moved back to Tampa, then to Canada in 2009
>> after his father was robbed at gunpoint three times.
>>
>> The youth has another child in Florida, the court heard.
>>
>> The parents are reportedly refugee claimants, but the youth has
>> no status in Canada, the court heard.
>>
>> Gallagher said the youth stopped attending school when it was
>> alleged he was selling narcotics on the school ground. No
>> charges were laid.
>>
>> In February 2011, the youth (as an adult) was posted on
>> Vancouver police's most-wanted list for alleged assault charges
>> that were later stayed.
>
> Well, punching anyone isnt very nice...even if its homosexuals.  We
> should not harm their bodies, only their agenda to get everyone to
> confess the lifestyle is permissable, noble, pure, and acceptable
> despite the many thousands whove died from direct homosexual std's  .

It would be so good for your cause if ONLY homosexuals transmitted STDs. 
Unfortunately...

On 2/2/12 8:05 AM, RichA wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:15 am, "No One"<no...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>> http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
>> 11444.aspx
>>
>> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
>> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
>> judge ruled Jan 27.
>>
>> Crown prosecutor Ann Seymour had sought a hate-crime designation
>> at the assailant�s sentencing hearing in November. The youth
>> knew the victim was gay before he assaulted him. "He called him
>> a �fucking faggot� several times as he assaulted him," Seymour
>> told Judge Rosemary Gallagher.
>>
>> "The response was a violent one and an insulting one," Seymour
>> argued. "The accused punched the complainant in the face and
>> kicked him numerous times. The force of the punch was so strong
>> it broke the complainant's jaw. He was called not only a
>> 'faggot' but a 'fucking faggot' and these statements were
>> uttered in anger.�
>>
>
> The "we are better than others" queer cabal HATES it when people are
> treated like...people.


How long have you been their spokesperson, gay boy?

On Feb 2, 10:51 pm, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 2/2/12 8:05 AM, RichA wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:15 am, "No One"<no...@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> >>http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
> >> 11444.aspx
>
> >> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
> >> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
> >> judge ruled Jan 27.
>
> >> Crown prosecutor Ann Seymour had sought a hate-crime designation
> >> at the assailant’s sentencing hearing in November. The youth
> >> knew the victim was gay before he assaulted him. "He called him
> >> a ‘fucking faggot’ several times as he assaulted him," Seymour
> >> told Judge Rosemary Gallagher.
>
> >> "The response was a violent one and an insulting one," Seymour
> >> argued. "The accused punched the complainant in the face and
> >> kicked him numerous times. The force of the punch was so strong
> >> it broke the complainant's jaw. He was called not only a
> >> 'faggot' but a 'fucking faggot' and these statements were
> >> uttered in anger.”
>
> > The "we are better than others" queer cabal HATES it when people are
> > treated like...people.
>
> How long have you been their spokesperson, gay boy?

Defense of queer's "specialness" noted Trotsky.

On Feb 2, 4:15 am, "No One" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Not_a_hate_crime_judge_rules-
> 11444.aspx
>
> Hate was not a motivating factor in an alleged 2009 gaybashing
> off Vancouver's queer-friendly Commercial Dr, a youth court
> judge ruled Jan 27.
>

The judge applied the law correctly here as it would appear that the
motivation for the crime was not the fact the victim was gay but that
he was in the midst of an argument between an illegal immigrant loser
from the United States and his girl friend.  Of course this does not
support the title used for this posting by our resident troll so I
have corrected it.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:15:16 +0100, No One wrote:


> “I'm glad it's over," the victim told Xtra outside court. “I hope he
> learns from it. I have to forgive him. I can't hold a grudge."
> 
> But, he added, "I think it's a hate crime, obviously."
> 

That's a matter of perspective, I'd say.  Obviously there 
was hatred involved.  Whether it had anything to do with
him being gay is another matter.  Some things must be left
to God's Judgement.  It was clearly criminal assault and 
battery.

Dhu


-- 
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