🚀 go-pugleaf

whew.  thank you.

I've never taken NLP training, but I've worked with several children who were
about to be written off (hospitalized or subjected to years of conventional
therapy) and as a last resort they were taken to a psychotherapist known
throughout our area as the best children's ... around.  He works from a full
toolbox that includes NLP and a host of other things... and he sucessfully 
rescues children from the brink in case after case -- without breaking the
parent's bank account.

I have watched him work and had many conversations with him, and the two things
I know to be elementary basics of NLP are that you always start from where a 
person is -- pace their reality and then lead them where they need to be; and 
that if what you're doing isn't working, do something else.  There's no such 
thing as "resistance" -- only bad pacing on your part.  

Past that, I'm just an ardent supporter of helpers/healers/therapists or 
whatever you call people who are versitile enough and creative enough to do 
whatever it takes to pull wounded and damaged people back from the edge.

For whatever reasons, this bickering has gone on too long.  And I think the
basic premise that if what you're doing isn't working... probably should've 
kicked in a long time ago.  As far as just how useful a tool NLP really is --
as far as I can tell, it is true that the most flexible element in any system
is the one that works best and survives longest.  If this supplies added 
flexibility and versitility on the part of skilled therapists and psychologists
 -- then any nay-sayers are already on thin ice.   

assume the appropriate disclaimers....LWebb

In article <10378@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, usdgog@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Greg Granger) writes:
>>...	
> (* fiery flames from h*ll on *)
> Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> ENOUGH!
> 
> NLP seems to have some connection with Hypnosis (perhaps, no one has
> really posted anything very useful about this technique).  It seems
> appropriate (to the list) to discuss it until it is clear that it
> does or does not have something to do with the subject.
> 
> However all this babble (yes BABBLE, BABBLE, BABBLE) about whether or
> not it's a scams is silly.  I'm an adult, if I want to spend $5000 to 
> become a master of <whatever> then it's my decision and my money.
> Zealous 'protectors' seeking to warn me of the evil doers out to 
> rob me, just offend me.   If I want to buy snake oil (and I'm not
> suggesting that that is what NLP is), then I expect you to step out
> of the way and let me do it, unless you somehow feel that I'm 
> endangering my health (not wealth).  If I get an ad in the mail and
> buy from it ... it's none of your d*mn business.  By the same token
> if you get something in the mail don't want, pitch it or mark it
> "return to sender" don't waste my time telling me about it.
> 
> On the other side of the coin, if the NLP people would like to share
> something about the NLP process, PLEASE DO SO.  Messages like "NLP
> cures ..." are silly, unless accompanied by something like "the person
> was instructed in the following manner ... step 1 ... 2 ..."  Messages
> of form without substances only reinforce the assertion that NLP is
> a less than legit field.  I'm afraid that citing articles from journals
> isn't much use either, print is cheap. 
> 
> Processes, techniques should be decided on merit, not the amount of mail
> offers they produce or the amount of claims put fore by supports.
> 
> (* Flame off <sigh> *)
> 
> So now that that's been said, anyone doing anything with Hypnosis out
> there?  Can it help me remember my Latin by Monday (exam day) ???
> 
> Greg