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Re: nonsence and truth

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From: The Jester
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:37
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Mr. Barton has an excellent point, as a matter of fact I am familiar
with the experiment he references. None of the activities (pranks) I
involved myself with really pushed the limit very far. The reasons
for that are obvious, I was out to have fun, not hurt anyone. I can
only report a 'feeling'. That feeling was that I could warp
someone's view of reality to the point where they would do just
about anything. But this isn't a scientific claim.

				The Jester

In article <DLB.92Nov17094913@fanny.wash.inmet.com] dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
]In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU] ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The
]Jester) writes:
]
]   First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you
]   wouldn't normally do, is wrong. 
](A lot of irresponsible, high-school pranks deleted)
]
]I think you underestimate, not what people will do under hypnosis, but
]what people will do when not under hypnosis.  There are many ways of
]getting people to do things they "wouldn't normally do".  The easiest
]is to ask them, under the color of some sort of authority.  The Milkin
]experiment should be required reading for anyone who works with
]hypnosis (and is usually covered in an introductory level psychology
]course).  Ordinary people, placed in a situation where they thought
]they were administering electric shocks as a part of an experiment in
]learning, would shock a person literally to death (or what was
]presented as death, convincingly --- they did not actually kill
]people).  All personal consequences of doing so were explicitly
]denied; the "experiment leader" simply told them it was necessary, and
]took all responsibility.
]
]I don't know what your high school experience was, but similar
]incidents (including taking off clothes, and similar to the dog act)
]were certainly part of my high school life, without hypnosis of any
]kind.  Most such activities took simply a "dare".
]
]					Dave Barton
]					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com


-- 
For some reason unintelligible to me, Lord Acton's dictum that
"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
is rarely raised in connection with judges, who...possess power
..that comes [close] to being absolute"-Judge Bork
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