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Article #141Re: nonsence and truth
From: The Jester
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:37
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:37
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Mr. Barton has an excellent point, as a matter of fact I am familiar with the experiment he references. None of the activities (pranks) I involved myself with really pushed the limit very far. The reasons for that are obvious, I was out to have fun, not hurt anyone. I can only report a 'feeling'. That feeling was that I could warp someone's view of reality to the point where they would do just about anything. But this isn't a scientific claim. The Jester In article <DLB.92Nov17094913@fanny.wash.inmet.com] dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes: ]In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU] ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The ]Jester) writes: ] ] First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you ] wouldn't normally do, is wrong. ](A lot of irresponsible, high-school pranks deleted) ] ]I think you underestimate, not what people will do under hypnosis, but ]what people will do when not under hypnosis. There are many ways of ]getting people to do things they "wouldn't normally do". The easiest ]is to ask them, under the color of some sort of authority. The Milkin ]experiment should be required reading for anyone who works with ]hypnosis (and is usually covered in an introductory level psychology ]course). Ordinary people, placed in a situation where they thought ]they were administering electric shocks as a part of an experiment in ]learning, would shock a person literally to death (or what was ]presented as death, convincingly --- they did not actually kill ]people). All personal consequences of doing so were explicitly ]denied; the "experiment leader" simply told them it was necessary, and ]took all responsibility. ] ]I don't know what your high school experience was, but similar ]incidents (including taking off clothes, and similar to the dog act) ]were certainly part of my high school life, without hypnosis of any ]kind. Most such activities took simply a "dare". ] ] Dave Barton ] dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com -- For some reason unintelligible to me, Lord Acton's dictum that "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is rarely raised in connection with judges, who...possess power ..that comes [close] to being absolute"-Judge Bork
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!ucla-se!edison.seas.ucla.edu!ygoland From: ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis Subject: Re: nonsence and truth Message-ID: <8716@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> Date: 21 Nov 92 21:37:10 GMT References: <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU] <DLB.92Nov17094913@fanny.wash.inmet.com] Sender: news@SEAS.UCLA.EDU Organization: Republicans for Sanity Lines: 46