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Started by Steve Crabtree
Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:52
Hypnosis and the Soul
Author: Steve Crabtree
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:52
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:52
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To: alt.hypnosis
From: steve.crabtree
In article <1992Dec13.004405.12206@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Bob Vogel) writes,
<< Hypnosis levels description etc. deleted >>
BV> Don't you all think (with due respect for the menatl anguish that may
BV> cause some of the "flame" experts reading) that the lack of
BV> correlation between trance phenomena and EEG's and any number of
BV> the other comments that have been posted here {when we weren't
BV> talking about NLP} point strongly in the direction that there is
BV> a part of our psyche (soul, most basic uniquness, & 50 other
BV> terms for that same essential "us-ness") that is both seperable from
BV> the body and not observable, at least with our current crude
BV> instruments? Many people's out of body experiences would seem to
BV> point in this direction. Such a separate self would possibly
BV> account also for some of the anamolies discussed herein. Comments??
BV> observations that tend to support or detract?? Anybody in hypnosis
BV> had anything to say about this?
The same thought has occurred to me. If there is no unique brain
state which underlies what appears to be a unique set of behavioural
phenomena, you're left with the options of denying the existence of
hypnosis and accusing people of acting, assuming that the states of the
brain can change without affecting EEG, or with the tantalizing
possibility that hypnosis may act not on brain but on mind (soul etc.)
Most of my information about hypnosis comes from reading about 19th.
century experiments wherein phenomena such as travelling clairvoyance
and community of sensation appeared frequently in deep trance. Since I'm
fairly firmly convinced that psychical phenomena exist and also fairly
firmly convinced that they cannot be explained on the basis of a
material brain/body, it appears natural to assume that hypnosis affects
a non-material part of us, revealed in psychic experiences.
One recent example; last year, I attended a presentation in which the
presenter claimed that he could consistently demonstrate precognition
with an excellent trance subject. The procedure is to suggest that the
time is 10 minutes later than now and to show the subject a blank piece
of paper on which a drawing will later be made and to request them to
copy it. The subject, of course, is told that the drawing already has
been made.
According to this source, this results in a remarkable match with what
is later (randomly) drawn. (This work is not intended as a formal
experiment but as exploratory work).
What puzzles me is that so little work seems to be done these days
exploring the possible links between hypnosis and parapsychology with a
view to exploring the nature of humankind.
Re: Hypnosis and the Soul
Author: David Barton
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:31
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:31
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In article <231.3473.uupcb@synapse.org> steve.crabtree@synapse.org (Steve Crabtree) writes: The same thought has occurred to me. If there is no unique brain state which underlies what appears to be a unique set of behavioural phenomena, you're left with the options of denying the existence of hypnosis and accusing people of acting, assuming that the states of the brain can change without affecting EEG, or with the tantalizing possibility that hypnosis may act not on brain but on mind (soul etc.) This may simply reflect the narrowness of your definition of what "hypnosis" is. If trance behavior is seen as a natural phenomena, part of everyday life and occuring to everyone several times a day, and that a formal induction is simply a mechanism for gaining access to this natural skill, then some of this dilemma goes away. One recent example; last year, I attended a presentation in which the presenter claimed that he could consistently demonstrate precognition with an excellent trance subject. The procedure is to suggest that the time is 10 minutes later than now and to show the subject a blank piece of paper on which a drawing will later be made and to request them to copy it. The subject, of course, is told that the drawing already has been made. According to this source, this results in a remarkable match with what is later (randomly) drawn. (This work is not intended as a formal experiment but as exploratory work). I would GREATLY appreciate more infomation about this procedure. Time, place, participants, and any sponsoring organization would be a good start. What puzzles me is that so little work seems to be done these days exploring the possible links between hypnosis and parapsychology with a view to exploring the nature of humankind. Funding for parapsychology research (as opposed to other kinds of "New Age" activities) is hard to come by. Explicitly stating hypotheses and the expected results of the experiment, and what it means (in the example above) for a sketch to be a "remarkable match" is difficult in any rigorous way. Getting published is also rather difficult. Some progress is being made, but not at the "hypnosis end" of things. Dave Barton dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Re: Hypnosis and the Soul
Author: Wayne Radinsky
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:59
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:59
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steve.crabtree@synapse.org (Steve Crabtree) writes: > What puzzles me is that so little work seems to be done these days > exploring the possible links between hypnosis and parapsychology with a > view to exploring the nature of humankind. You might be interested in "Venture Inward" by Hugh Lynn Cayce (our library has it). It's about the work of Edgar Cayce, who I would say does link hypnosis and parapsychology (as well as explore the "nature of humankind"). My impression is that parapsychological work isn't funded because if their results are negative, there was no point in doing the research, and if their results are positive, nobody believes them anyway. Wayne (the Anxious Puppy).
Re: Hypnosis and the Soul
Author: Geoffrey Sherwood
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:48
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:48
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steve.crabtree@synapse.org (Steve Crabtree) writes: > What puzzles me is that so little work seems to be done these days > exploring the possible links between hypnosis and parapsychology with a > view to exploring the nature of humankind. If I were so gifted, the last thing I would do would be to make a big deal about it. If the government actually believed I had this power, I think my freedom would be measured in days. geoff sherwood
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