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Article #37Re: newsgroup counts, ELN vs deja.com
From: Jim Kutz
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:00
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:00
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I've just been looking over Adler's unreliability stats for the past month. Mine come out similarly. Comparing the week ending Tuesday with a month ago: Bruce Adler <bruce.NxOxSxPxAxMx.adler@acm.org> wrote in message news:82t6rj$2va$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Here's a comparision of the number of articles in the comp.unix.solaris > newsgroup on ELN versus deja.com, as of Dec 11, 1999 0130 PST: > Datestamp > of article ELN / deja = % > MON 12/06/1999 129 / 184 = 70% > TUE 12/07/1999 145 / 179 = 81% > WED 12/08/1999 106 / 179 = 59% > THU 12/09/1999 44 / 161 = 27% > FRI 12/10/1999 99 / 147 = 67% > .... > The comp.unix.solaris counts as of Jan 12 2000 0200 PST: > Datestamp of article ELN / deja = % > MON 01/03/00 134 / 140 = 96% > TUE 01/04/00 159 / 169 = 94% > WED 01/05/00 160 / 190 = 84% > THU 01/06/00 148 / 200 = 74% > FRI 01/07/00 117 / 196 = 60% > SAT 01/08/00 23 / 62 = 37% > SUN 01/09/00 46 / 67 = 69% > MON 01/10/00 91 / 171 = 53% >TUE 01/11/00 111 / 212 = 52% > ============================== total 989 / 1407 = 70% OK, so for a month ending Tuesday, three out of ten INCOMING posts never got through, and ELN never really copped to it. 1. Does anyone have more recent stats ? 2. Does anyone know the name of that resident freeware program that extracts new article counts from Agent or Free Agent? It'll come to me eventually, and I'd like to get users from other ISPs posting theirs someplace equally public for comparison. A more pertinent stat, and one we should probably monitor more consistently, is how often ELN is truthful about "all services online and operational." That's easy enough to determine -- just archive their status reports every few hours, and post it somewhere public next to comparison stats. If a few people quietly did that, it might help Earthlink from minimizing problems. Come to think of it, operational status is a non-admission. If you capture newsgroups for later reference, and a third and a third of the posts have been missing for the past business week, then "online and operational" has no meaning. Nor does "users may have problems logging on" tell the real story. A prof suggested something else to maybe do. Since we all get called by U.S. Sprint every few weeks, trying to sell us Earthlink accounts, we could ask Sprint every month AFTER WE LEAVE EARTHLINK whether there's anything they should be telling us about unreliability on Earthlink. If they say no, well then compare that with the definition of "fraudulent concealment of a material fact from customer at time of sale." Methinks if Sprint's were routinely gathered and made public by interested parties, it might foster market competition. Again, previous experience with a university ISP shows that the fit hits the shan when coverup fails, i.e. when enough people get wise and start gathering data on disservice. Someone mentioned elsewhere that, an ISP isn't a captive audience, like a university ( where you can't get another ISP, because the campus phone system doesn't support digital other than theirs ). On an ISP, aren't individual subscribers more likely to walk than to fight ? Three exceptions: If you get your ELN account free through an employer or contractor, you may be stuck with it unless you can present evidence that the company should go elsewhere. Or, if there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of your company springing for a better ISP, you still might agitate to improve the service so you don't have to go elsewhere and actually pay. Even if you're a short-term ELN trial subscriber, or a disgruntled trial subscriber planning to move your site to another ISP, you might still like to gather stats and pass them around. So there is a more or less constant flow of information into the public domain, as happened with Netcom ( which eventually stopped wooing the unhappy public, and turned to corporate markets ). Reliability stats, once generated, also get used by local small-business consultants who suggest ISPs. If they suggest the wrong ISP, they get burned. If they warn businesses AWAY from the wrong ISP, they get points. A few consulting networks even have user surveys, and mail drops set up for stats about your ISP. For those reasons an ISP does have to live up to their reputation, which tends to get updated every few months, as evidenced by rapid turnover in the rankings. I find the dynamics interesting, because good service does seem to correlate with survival of those ISPs able to maintain it while maneuvering for growth. -- Jim Kutz Let no politician, no party, influence your vote. If any do not willingly represent you, vote them out. Let no party tell you what the issues are. Tell each other what YOUR issues are. Don't fight partisanship. Marvel at it .Link up with its many opponents. Expedite dissent until partisanship cannot rule.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fc3ab,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc3ab,public X-Google-Thread: 107b34,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gid107b34,public X-Google-Thread: fdd88,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdd88,public X-Google-Thread: fe40d,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe40d,public X-Google-Thread: f47fd,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gidf47fd,public X-Google-Thread: fa874,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa874,public X-Google-Thread: 107518,208bcb67309a0018 X-Google-Attributes: gid107518,public From: Jim Kutz <jimkutz@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: newsgroup counts, ELN vs deja.com Date: 2000/01/13 Message-ID: <0aor7ss6l4t28m37ebuntc72sj4oul19kd@4ax.com> X-Deja-AN: 572110070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <83om03$jbk$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <83rc2n$mdg$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <51n84.766$GF1.51112@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <NXN84.2413$GF1.123611@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <ajRb4.2524$Ec5.133495@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <v9Od4.2705$Ul3.125773@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <0u7e4.1186$iZ1.56658@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <M5Fe4.5945$o62.268666@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <D3Ze4.8271$o62.372752@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: Thu Jan 13 06:34:26 2000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947774066 168.191.26.139 (Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:34:26 PST) Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: jimkutz@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:34:26 PST Newsgroups: alt.internet.newservers,alt.internet.providers.america,alt.provider.earthlink,ba.internet,earthlink.complaints,earthlink.tech-support.news,misc.consumers