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They say that only 1 machine on your network can use ADSL
but apparently you can use Internet Connection Sharing and
it works a treat.

Pete S


"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990127506.22427.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
> I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
>
> �20 per month for Surftime
> �20 per month to Demon
> �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
> This is my first complete bill with the Surftime package, and now I
realise
> I'm not making enough voice calls to use up all my Surftime discounts...
> That's what you get for having lots of free minutes on our mobile tarrifs!
>
> �80 per month seems like a lot, is there a better way? I asked Demon about
> ADSL but they said only one machine on our network could use it (we have
> three) at the basic price.
>
> I find BT's discount schemes very hard to navigate - can anyone tell me if
> I'm missing out? If the answer involves changing ISP, news service is
> important to me, as well as reliable connection. (why I chose Demon, which
> has been mostly OK).
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Gavin
>
> --
> ************************
> Gavin Ramsay
> Herringbone Productions
> Aberdeen, Scotland
> +44 (0)1224 641709
> +44 (0)7803 617932 mob
> +44 (0)870 1215918 fax
> ************************
>
>

"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990127506.22427.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
> I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
>
> �20 per month for Surftime
> �20 per month to Demon
> �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
> This is my first complete bill with the Surftime package, and now I
realise
> I'm not making enough voice calls to use up all my Surftime discounts...
> That's what you get for having lots of free minutes on our mobile tarrifs!
>
> �80 per month seems like a lot, is there a better way? I asked Demon about
> ADSL but they said only one machine on our network could use it (we have
> three) at the basic price.
>
> I find BT's discount schemes very hard to navigate - can anyone tell me if
> I'm missing out? If the answer involves changing ISP, news service is
> important to me, as well as reliable connection. (why I chose Demon, which
> has been mostly OK).
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Gavin
>
> --
> ************************
> Gavin Ramsay
> Herringbone Productions
> Aberdeen, Scotland
> +44 (0)1224 641709
> +44 (0)7803 617932 mob
> +44 (0)870 1215918 fax
> ************************
>
>

I believe you could reduce your isdn charge to �24/mo if you give up the
inclusive call part.  If you're using an unmetered service, you don't need
it.  Surftime has nothing to do with your inclusive calls at �40/mo.

"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990127506.22427.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
> I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
>
> �20 per month for Surftime
> �20 per month to Demon
> �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
> This is my first complete bill with the Surftime package, and now I
realise
> I'm not making enough voice calls to use up all my Surftime discounts...
> That's what you get for having lots of free minutes on our mobile tarrifs!
>
> �80 per month seems like a lot, is there a better way? I asked Demon about
> ADSL but they said only one machine on our network could use it (we have
> three) at the basic price.

Not totally sure if the same applies to cable as DSL but we've 6 machines
running cable from a standard 512k connection using a Netgear router ( 314 )

Works fine, just set your DHCP server up to use the router as your main
gateway.....

The router works for DSL and Cable so i dont see any problems....

In this instance i doubt NAT and non NAT matter...could be wrong though!

Take it to uk.telecom.broadband and a regular guru might shed a better light
on the subject!

Cheers,

Jonny.

For �80 a month you can get Ethernet 512K ADSL from EasyNet, which is the
network compatible version (14 IPs included for client machines)! Otherwise
you can build a simple Pentium router (P233 with USB & one Ethernet card
using Linux?) and use Alcatel's Linux Drivers, thus using your router with
the �40 a month USB ADSL option to provide network dialup. HTH.
Regards,
Alex W


"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990127506.22427.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
> I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
>
> �20 per month for Surftime
> �20 per month to Demon
> �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
> This is my first complete bill with the Surftime package, and now I
realise
> I'm not making enough voice calls to use up all my Surftime discounts...
> That's what you get for having lots of free minutes on our mobile tarrifs!
>
> �80 per month seems like a lot, is there a better way? I asked Demon about
> ADSL but they said only one machine on our network could use it (we have
> three) at the basic price.
>
> I find BT's discount schemes very hard to navigate - can anyone tell me if
> I'm missing out? If the answer involves changing ISP, news service is
> important to me, as well as reliable connection. (why I chose Demon, which
> has been mostly OK).
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Gavin
>
> --
> ************************
> Gavin Ramsay
> Herringbone Productions
> Aberdeen, Scotland
> +44 (0)1224 641709
> +44 (0)7803 617932 mob
> +44 (0)870 1215918 fax
> ************************
>
>
>

On Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 +0100, in alt.internet.providers.uk "Alex
W" <alex@quarterpounder.net> wrote:

>For �80 a month you can get Ethernet 512K ADSL from EasyNet, which is the
>network compatible version (14 IPs included for client machines)! 

Up to 13, actually; 16 IPs (one for the router, network address,
broadcast address and 13 usable hosts).  One can, however, run a
device using NAT behind the router (firewall, Microsoft Proxy Server,
linux box running NAT, whatever) to enable more hosts to connect.
There is also a version of EasyDSL running NAT on the BT router, which
gives 253 usable NAT'ed host reserved private address space IP
addresses.  The no-NAT version is required for inbound SMTP mail
delivery.

To answer the original poster's news query, Easynet's news server is
rather good, with excellent article retention and completeness,
particularly in text groups.  As an added bonus, Easynet customers
have access to an authenticated version, authenticated by username and
password, ideal for travelling with a laptop.  Dial in from anywhere,
even abroad, and access the server with our compliments.

http://www.uk.easynet.net/products/product.asp?id=33
 
-- 
Anthony Edwards 
Easynet Ltd - Manchester 
http://www.uk.easynet.net
anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net

Thanks to everyone who's replied.

PL - I'll call BT in the morning to sort this. Thanks.

Jonny Baird - I'd be interested to know whether I could make a basic �40 a
month ADSL package work with my network. I wouldn't mind paying this much.
Can you point me to any websites which may help?

I really appreciate this help, folks - it's an area I know very little
about. I've got so used to using the internet as an almost "always on"
service in the last year that I'm keen to find out how to make it
cost-effective (I can't afford massive ISDN costs much longer!)

Gavin

"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote:

> I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
> 
> �20 per month for Surftime
> �20 per month to Demon
> �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.

I'm a little confused by this - what is the BT Together for? You get
your 24/7 ISDN internet access without it for �39.98.

Bob
-- 
Bob Mortimer
E-Mail Bob@pontlliw.demon.co.uk

"Bob Mortimer" <Bob@pontlliw.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aua9gt0ga21feqi61eskodmpe7d5emn9ij@4ax.com...
> "Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote:
>
> > I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
> > package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
> >
> > �20 per month for Surftime
> > �20 per month to Demon
> > �40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
> I'm a little confused by this - what is the BT Together for? You get
> your 24/7 ISDN internet access without it for �39.98.
>
> Bob
> --
> Bob Mortimer
> E-Mail Bob@pontlliw.demon.co.uk

Bob,

I'm told that the �40 charge is my ISDN standing charge - however as PL said
I may be able to reduce that by not taking up the free call allowance.

--
************************
Gavin Ramsay
Herringbone Productions
Aberdeen, Scotland
+44 (0)1224 641709
+44 (0)7803 617932 mob
+44 (0)870 1215918 fax
************************

"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990145828.1142.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> Jonny Baird - I'd be interested to know whether I could make a basic �40 a
> month ADSL package work with my network. I wouldn't mind paying this much.
> Can you point me to any websites which may help?
>

I'm on the 40/month Business USB500. The Stingray modem plugs straight into
Win2000/SBS server and networks via MS ISA (new name for Poxy Server).

You can achieve similar with other proxy/router products on the server
(provided it is NOT NT which does not support USB). Go thru the archives of
uk.telecom.broadband for more.

Works brilliantly when it is working - which nearly all the time for most
people - but you will need to keep a 56Kmodem as back up. At least if you
have to use it - you will appreciate how good ADSL can be.

I moved up from Highway which was costing me 40pds/month (31pds to BT plus
10pds/month to FUT negated by some free calls). So I'm getting a much better
service for the same cost - which is half yours.

Stuart

gav@herringbone.org (Gavin Ramsay) wrote in
<990127506.22427.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk>: 

>I've got Home Highway/BT Together, Surftime 24/7 and Demon's relevant
>package. Just got my BT bill today - �180 of charges! I'm paying:
>
>�20 per month for Surftime
>�20 per month to Demon
>�40 per month for ISDN BT Together.
>
..>�80 per month seems like a lot, is there a better way? ...

Well I pay:

�9.99/mo to NTL (they installed a line for �20 - BT wanted �150)
�14.99/mo to AOL
=====
�24.98

"Stuart" <info@brainsys.com> wrote in message
news:9e2lc9$khuo$1@ID-14172.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
> news:990145828.1142.0.nnrp-13.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
> >
> > Jonny Baird - I'd be interested to know whether I could make a basic �40
a
> > month ADSL package work with my network. I wouldn't mind paying this
much.
> > Can you point me to any websites which may help?
> >
>
> I'm on the 40/month Business USB500. The Stingray modem plugs straight
into
> Win2000/SBS server and networks via MS ISA (new name for Poxy Server).
>
> You can achieve similar with other proxy/router products on the server
> (provided it is NOT NT which does not support USB). Go thru the archives
of
> uk.telecom.broadband for more.
>
> Works brilliantly when it is working - which nearly all the time for most
> people - but you will need to keep a 56Kmodem as back up. At least if you
> have to use it - you will appreciate how good ADSL can be.
>
> I moved up from Highway which was costing me 40pds/month (31pds to BT plus
> 10pds/month to FUT negated by some free calls). So I'm getting a much
better
> service for the same cost - which is half yours.
>
> Stuart
>
>

Thanks, Stuart

I'll go and have a look at uk.telecom.broadband

This sounds like a good solution - I know ADSL is available for my line. Did
you have to pay �150 installation? Who is Business USB500 with?

Thanks

Gavin



--
************************
Gavin Ramsay
Herringbone Productions
Aberdeen, Scotland
+44 (0)1224 641709
+44 (0)7803 617932 mob
+44 (0)870 1215918 fax
************************

"Gavin Ramsay" <gav@herringbone.org> wrote in message
news:990209812.14560.0.nnrp-12.c1edccfe@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> This sounds like a good solution - I know ADSL is available for my line.
Did
> you have to pay �150 installation? Who is Business USB500 with?

No. I pre registered last May so free installation with BTO.

BTO is the cheapest -  not the best, but still very good value.

Hang around u.t.b or visit www.adslguide.org.uk to check out the
alternatives...

Stuart

On Thu, 17 May 2001 22:09:12 +0100, Anthony Edwards
<anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 +0100, in alt.internet.providers.uk "Alex
>W" <alex@quarterpounder.net> wrote:
>
>>For �80 a month you can get Ethernet 512K ADSL from EasyNet, which is the
>>network compatible version (14 IPs included for client machines)! 
>
Erm...�92.82 a month when you add in the VAT.  Plus �346.62
installation charge. Not quite, I venture to suggest, what the
original enquirer is looking for!!!

snip>
>To answer the original poster's news query, Easynet's news server is
>rather good, with excellent article retention and completeness,
>particularly in text groups.  As an added bonus, Easynet customers
>have access to an authenticated version, authenticated by username and
>password, ideal for travelling with a laptop.  Dial in from anywhere,
>even abroad, and access the server with our compliments.
>
>http://www.uk.easynet.net/products/product.asp?id=33
> 
Easynet gets more interesting when you consider the higher speed
versions...�116 for 1Mb/s and �140 for 2Mb/s and 20:1 contention ratio
sounds quite good (18 months ago I was paying  �120 pm in phone
bills+rental for a 64  Kb/s HH connection (costs now halved with 24/7
surftime).

Can you provide recent precise figures on EasyDSL percentage downtime
over say the last 6 months and the maximum duration of any single
outage? This aspect is important costwise as my backup would be
analogue modem, continuously connected except overnight, at dial-up
rates.

-- 
Dave