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14 total messages Started by Martyn Iles Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:25
ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#125
Author: Martyn Iles
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:25
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As I've been unable to get a date for the ADSL enabling of my local
exchange from BT (01793 70xxxx) I've decided to try to find a 128k
unmetered provider to reduce my (large!) call charges.  As I work from
home, I'm online a lot during the day.

I'm currently with Pipex who don't support 128k except on a beta
number (been in beta for over a year!) and don't support surftime
either.

My options seem to be fairly limited as most of the surftime offerings
seems to be 64k only.  I found the following reason on the PlusNet
site:
"ISDN (64K) support 
SurfTime fully supports ISDN connection
PlusNet fully supports ISDN connection to all our Surf products. With
the new SurfTime network you should see impressive transmission
speeds. Currently this is restricted to 64K. However, BT hopes to
introduce 128K access in the very near future."

I didn't realise it was a BT problem, though I guess they may not
allow 128k connections via SurfPort.

The only option I've found is to use a Demon Super Showroom 128k
account with Surftime (AFAIK Demon employ their own routing and don't
use BTs SurfPort).

Unfortunately, Demon's sales team have been less than helpful (I can
_probably_ use surftime with it!!) and a �250 setup charge and 1 year
minimum contract are a bit much on top of �90/month (60+VAT for SS and
�20 to BT for surftime) if there are problems with the service, or
routing issues via my local exchange!

So, is anyone using an unmetered 128k connection?  If so - who with!!
Martyn Iles (usenet@kryten.org)
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#126
Author: David Coulson
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:45
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Martyn Iles wrote:

> I didn't realise it was a BT problem, though I guess they may not
> allow 128k connections via SurfPort.

That would be correct.

> The only option I've found is to use a Demon Super Showroom 128k
> account with Surftime (AFAIK Demon employ their own routing and don't
> use BTs SurfPort).

That is correct.

> Unfortunately, Demon's sales team have been less than helpful (I can
> _probably_ use surftime with it!!) and a �250 setup charge and 1 year
> minimum contract are a bit much on top of �90/month (60+VAT for SS and
> �20 to BT for surftime) if there are problems with the service, or
> routing issues via my local exchange!

You _can_ use Surftime with a NDU; I have been using for a while and
havn't had any problems with it, other than the routing issues the first
week which was due to misconfiguration of the NDU ROMP ('least, that's
what tech support told me).

> So, is anyone using an unmetered 128k connection?  If so - who with!!

yes; Demon. They are the ONLY reliable 128k access provider at the
moment, so you can either take it or leave it :)

-- 
David Coulson
technoir@sourceforge.net
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#128
Author: David Coulson
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:33
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Steve Mace wrote:
> Try MyVISP... they are one of the new FRIACO providers and will give
> you as bandwidth as you want @ �60 per month per 64K. If you can cope
> then 512K is easily possible. This includes fixed IP for local servers
> etc...

Expensive. My Demon NDU costs 77+VAT (including the SurfTime service
payment to BT) and I get 128k ISDN with compression along with a routed
/28. Hardly ANY ISPs offer routed subnets which is very useful if you
want to run any public access services (mail server, etc)

-- 
David Coulson
technoir@sourceforge.net
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#127
Author: Steve Mace
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:36
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:25:12 GMT, usenet@kryten.org (Martyn Iles)
wrote:

>So, is anyone using an unmetered 128k connection?  If so - who with!!
>Martyn Iles (usenet@kryten.org)

Try MyVISP... they are one of the new FRIACO providers and will give
you as bandwidth as you want @ �60 per month per 64K. If you can cope
then 512K is easily possible. This includes fixed IP for local servers
etc...

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk  www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 4584558 (local rate)  Fax: 01482 621877
The place to purchase ISDN and Asuscom.
Cash back offers on BT Highway and ISDN.
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Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#129
Author: David Thornton
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:30
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At 15:36:51 on Wed, 1 Nov 2000, in article <3a00382d.25827945@news.karoo
.co.uk>, Steve Mace <steve@solwise.co.uk> writes

>Try MyVISP... they are one of the new FRIACO providers 

They're just reselling for http://www.nocallfee.com

>and will give
>you as bandwidth as you want @ �60 per month per 64K. 

�30 + VAT per 64kbit channel with a dynamic IP.
�60 + VAT per 64kbit channel with a fixed IP.

>If you can cope
>then 512K is easily possible. This includes fixed IP for local servers
>etc...

�480 + VAT for 512kbit (a month) with a fixed IP (doesn't include a
multiple IP block) and you still have to rent 4 ISDN 2e lines every
month or a configuration of ISDN30. Is that good value in comparison to
equivalent alternatives (i.e. not ADSL because that technology is
asymmetric).

Anyway http://www.nocallfee.com have been planning to launch for
literally months and it hasn't happened yet. I've given up with them.

-- 
David Thornton
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#130
Author: David Coulson
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:41
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David Thornton wrote:
> �480 + VAT for 512kbit (a month) with a fixed IP (doesn't include a
> multiple IP block) and you still have to rent 4 ISDN 2e lines every
> month or a configuration of ISDN30. Is that good value in comparison to
> equivalent alternatives (i.e. not ADSL because that technology is
> asymmetric).

How exactly does one do channel bonding on 8 B channels? Not with
standard/cheap hardware.

2Meg SDSL is about 10k within 0207, so that thing is roughly twice the
price before you add in the ISDN line rental.

-- 
David Coulson
technoir@sourceforge.net
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#131
Author: Ian Stirling
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02
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David Coulson <technoir@linux.com> wrote:
>David Thornton wrote:
>> ?480 + VAT for 512kbit (a month) with a fixed IP (doesn't include a
>> multiple IP block) and you still have to rent 4 ISDN 2e lines every
>> month or a configuration of ISDN30. Is that good value in comparison to
>> equivalent alternatives (i.e. not ADSL because that technology is
>> asymmetric).

>How exactly does one do channel bonding on 8 B channels? Not with
>standard/cheap hardware.

Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?

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the surprise employment of all my measures.
The important thing is the sudden shock of an overwhelming fear of death.'
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Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#132
Author: David Coulson
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:38
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Ian Stirling wrote:
> Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?

Would channel bonding even work with that sort of setup?

-- 
David Coulson
technoir@sourceforge.net
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#133
Author: David Thornton
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:03
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At 20:38:11 on Wed, 1 Nov 2000, in article
<3A007F33.87F345AB@linux.com>, David Coulson <technoir@linux.com> writes

>Would channel bonding even work with that sort of setup?

Apparently it should do. I have identical Asus TA's and channel bonding
is supported using multiple adapters.

-- 
David Thornton
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#135
Author: Mike Pellatt
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:12
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02:36 GMT, Ian Stirling
<Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:

>Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?

All my old 486's have ISA/EISA and/or VEGA/VESA/whatever-it-was-called
slots. PCI didn't really hit volume until the Pentium came
along, IIRC.

-- 
Mike Pellatt
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#134
Author: Steve Mace
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:59
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:30:20 +0000, David Thornton
</dev/null@davidthornton.com> wrote:


>�480 + VAT for 512kbit (a month) with a fixed IP (doesn't include a
>multiple IP block) and you still have to rent 4 ISDN 2e lines every
>month or a configuration of ISDN30. Is that good value in comparison to
>equivalent alternatives (i.e. not ADSL because that technology is
>asymmetric).

What alternatives? 
As you say forget about ADSL 'cause it's asymmetric (and other
problems like it may or may not be 512K). I admit it sounds a bit
pricey for 512K (although I know of one company who is paying 1K per
month for that on a leased line) but for a true 128K (not like ADSL)
with fixed IP, �120pm isn't bad.

The delay with MyVISP is not there fault. It's do with BT dragging
their feet with the FRACO service.

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk  www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 4584558 (local rate)  Fax: 01482 621877
The place to purchase ISDN and Asuscom.
Cash back offers on BT Highway and ISDN.
-------------------------------------
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#136
Author: Ian Stirling
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:35
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Mike Pellatt <newsfrom@pellatt.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02:36 GMT, Ian Stirling
><Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:

>>Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?

>All my old 486's have ISA/EISA and/or VEGA/VESA/whatever-it-was-called
>slots. PCI didn't really hit volume until the Pentium came
>along, IIRC.

I knew that...
Sigh.

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http://inquisitor.i.am/    |  mailto:inquisitor@i.am |             Ian Stirling.
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Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#137
Author: Mike Pellatt
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:20
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:35:25 GMT, Ian Stirling
<Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:
>Mike Pellatt <newsfrom@pellatt.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02:36 GMT, Ian Stirling
>><Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:
>
>>>Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?
>
>>All my old 486's have ISA/EISA and/or VEGA/VESA/whatever-it-was-called
>>slots. PCI didn't really hit volume until the Pentium came
>>along, IIRC.
>
>I knew that...
>Sigh.

Sorry. Missed the ferrous content there.

-- 
Mike Pellatt
Re: ISDN 128k unmetered connection??
#124
Author: Ian Stirling
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:00
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Mike Pellatt <newsfrom@pellatt.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:35:25 GMT, Ian Stirling
><Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:
>>Mike Pellatt <newsfrom@pellatt.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02:36 GMT, Ian Stirling
>>><Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:
>>
>>>>Stick 4 Asuscom PCI ISDN cards into an old 486 running linux?
>>
>>>All my old 486's have ISA/EISA and/or VEGA/VESA/whatever-it-was-called
>>>slots. PCI didn't really hit volume until the Pentium came
>>>along, IIRC.
>>
>>I knew that...
>>Sigh.

>Sorry. Missed the ferrous content there.

There wasn't actually any, I just hadn't really integrated the fact that
all the old computers I'd worked on recently had PCI slots, with the
fact they were all pentium or greater.

-- 
http://inquisitor.i.am/    |  mailto:inquisitor@i.am |             Ian Stirling.
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Two fish in a tank: one says to the other, "you know how to drive this thing??"
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