🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:15:36 +0000, - <a@b.c> wrote:

>Which is better? & how come DP doesn't offer surftime?
>
>Opinions etc invited.

Maybe it though smurftime smelt?
-- 
http://www.htmlcook.com     
html as simple as beans on toast
http://www.searchenginescandal.com
http://website.lineone.net/~diane_norton/indiary.htm

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:15:36 +0000, - <a@b.c> wrote:

>Which is better? & how come DP doesn't offer surftime?
>
>Opinions etc invited.
>
>Thanks!

I joined Demon in October from Pipex after 4 years of trouble-free
service. I'd always stayed with them because 'it always worked', i.e.
fast first time connections, no line drops etc. Yes, it cost more at
�12.75 plus VAT, but I felt I was getting what I paid for.
A friend had been using Demon over the same period and didn't have any
problems either. When the Demon Surftime offering came up I decided to
make the change as the chance to increase my time online without
incurring a relative increase in connect charges was very attractive.
The first few months were comparable in terms of connectivity to
Pipex, but I was one of the unfortunate souls who experienced the
'routing problems' and line drops of recent times and I must say I
nearly went back to Pipex. I know there was no evidence to prove this
problem was  Demon's and not BT's but it was very frustrating
nonetheless. (Touch wood - the problem seems to have been resolved by
someone over the last week or so, so I'm staying put for the moment.)
However, I still keep a Gateway Internet account as  back up in case
Demon goes belly up again. Gateway  is actually a 'free' Pipex (even
down to the same DNS servers).
With regard to the lack of Surftime offering from Pipex, UUNET  have
been beta-testing  0800 connectivity during the past year on a number
of occasions. It has usually been possible to use the 0800 with the
Gateway account for these short periods, but (out of courtesy for
using the free number) you are expected to upload some file
throughtput and connectivity statistics to the engineers. I would
surmise that  this will probably result in a FRIACO offering sometime
in the future rather than Surftime. If it does, I may be tempted to
rejoin.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:46:47 +0000, Peter Downing
<reppingyarns@bigfootdotcom> wrote:

>Gateway account for these short periods, but (out of courtesy for
>using the free number) you are expected to upload some file
>throughtput and connectivity statistics to the engineers. I would
>surmise that  this will probably result in a FRIACO offering sometime
>in the future rather than Surftime. If it does, I may be tempted to
>rejoin.

Yes, I think I'm going to follow your lead; switch to Demon from
Netgames-uk.com (their performance has gone from excellent to what can
be descripted politely as crap). Should Pipex launch the product you
mention I may be tempted to switch. What I find most annoying though
is an ISP offering a free "lite" or free "branded" account because I
am certain this must affect performance for those of who are paying
...

But generally, I get the picture that Demon is a pretty okay company.

Thanks,

-.

"-" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:vcu7bt0pnl1mnouebdjjna59296c2inj50@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:46:47 +0000, Peter Downing
> <reppingyarns@bigfootdotcom> wrote:
>
> >Gateway account for these short periods, but (out of courtesy for
> >using the free number) you are expected to upload some file
> >throughtput and connectivity statistics to the engineers. I would
> >surmise that  this will probably result in a FRIACO offering sometime
> >in the future rather than Surftime. If it does, I may be tempted to
> >rejoin.
>
> Yes, I think I'm going to follow your lead; switch to Demon from
> Netgames-uk.com (their performance has gone from excellent to what can
> be descripted politely as crap).

If your joining demon with the intention of playing games, I would seriously
reconsider. Current ping to UK servers on the G5 service is almost
unplayable. I had to resort to freeserve`s surftime offering to get a ping
under 100ms over the weekend that didn`t spike me all over the shop. At this
rate I may even consider nildram, it may be expensive, but I bet it works
for gaming.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:00:18 -0000, "Brian Skreeg"
<oz@REMOVE.scorch.net> wrote:

>If your joining demon with the intention of playing games, I would seriously
>reconsider. Current ping to UK servers on the G5 service is almost
>unplayable. I had to resort to freeserve`s surftime offering to get a ping
>under 100ms over the weekend that didn`t spike me all over the shop. At this
>rate I may even consider nildram, it may be expensive, but I bet it works
>for gaming.
>

Quite. I've just joined demon from plusnet this past weekend. I also
have a freeserve account simply because its free. I currently ping
around 100ms to demons own servers on the demon connection with a
first step of around 70ms. Needless to say any other uk server is
absolutely unusable. Contrast this to freeserve with whom I can ping
demons servers in about 50ms with a first step of 25-30ms.

Not an account I'd recommend to someone looking to play much online.

dave cunningham wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:00:18 -0000, "Brian Skreeg"
> <oz@REMOVE.scorch.net> wrote:
> 
> >If your joining demon with the intention of playing games, I would seriously
> >reconsider. Current ping to UK servers on the G5 service is almost
> >unplayable. I had to resort to freeserve`s surftime offering to get a ping
> >under 100ms over the weekend that didn`t spike me all over the shop. At this
> >rate I may even consider nildram, it may be expensive, but I bet it works
> >for gaming.
> >
> 
> Quite. I've just joined demon from plusnet this past weekend. I also
> have a freeserve account simply because its free. I currently ping
> around 100ms to demons own servers on the demon connection with a
> first step of around 70ms. Needless to say any other uk server is
> absolutely unusable. Contrast this to freeserve with whom I can ping
> demons servers in about 50ms with a first step of 25-30ms.
> 
> Not an account I'd recommend to someone looking to play much online.

Demon clearly recommend you use the Black ROMP for their gaming servers,
which Surftime doesn't come under.

-- 
Tanuj Shah
tanuj@ts86.net

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:46:09 +0000, Tanuj Shah
<ts-forward@bigfoot.com> wrote:


>Demon clearly recommend you use the Black ROMP for their gaming servers,
>which Surftime doesn't come under.

And I still get worse pings on the cisco gear than I do with
freeserve. Add to this the fact that the Black ROMP is pay per minute
and you'll understand why I would'nt recommend any serious gamer to
use demon at the present time.

"Peter Downing" <reppingyarns@bigfootdotcom> wrote in message
news:qcl7btkttkt1kdn08n0p150arh8oog20hc@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:15:36 +0000, - <a@b.c> wrote:
>
> >Which is better? & how come DP doesn't offer surftime?
> >
> >Opinions etc invited.
> >
> >Thanks!
>
> I joined Demon in October from Pipex after 4 years of trouble-free
> service. I'd always stayed with them because 'it always worked', i.e.
> fast first time connections, no line drops etc. Yes, it cost more at
> �12.75 plus VAT, but I felt I was getting what I paid for.
> A friend had been using Demon over the same period and didn't have any
> problems either. When the Demon Surftime offering came up I decided to
> make the change as the chance to increase my time online without
> incurring a relative increase in connect charges was very attractive.
> The first few months were comparable in terms of connectivity to
> Pipex, but I was one of the unfortunate souls who experienced the
> 'routing problems' and line drops of recent times and I must say I
> nearly went back to Pipex. I know there was no evidence to prove this
> problem was  Demon's and not BT's but it was very frustrating
> nonetheless. (Touch wood - the problem seems to have been resolved by
> someone over the last week or so, so I'm staying put for the moment.)
> However, I still keep a Gateway Internet account as  back up in case
> Demon goes belly up again. Gateway  is actually a 'free' Pipex (even
> down to the same DNS servers).
> With regard to the lack of Surftime offering from Pipex, UUNET  have
> been beta-testing  0800 connectivity during the past year on a number
> of occasions. It has usually been possible to use the 0800 with the
> Gateway account for these short periods, but (out of courtesy for
> using the free number) you are expected to upload some file
> throughtput and connectivity statistics to the engineers. I would
> surmise that  this will probably result in a FRIACO offering sometime
> in the future rather than Surftime. If it does, I may be tempted to
> rejoin.


Same here i was demon 6 yrs back and never had trouble- then went onto
global which was great after 2 years went onto jings-not bad but thinking
about going back to demon adsl.