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In demon.service {R} Richard Ashton <{R}@news.semolina.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:38:44 +0100, Peter Gradwell <peter@gradwell.com>
> wrote:

> }At this time, we have no intention to resume a usenet service.

> One reputation carefully earned, straight down the pan.

Not IMO. He had a go, found it wasn't viable, cut his losses.

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In article <hbbvrscsk4s59llvi324j0cq05p54dcdb8@red.gradwell.net>, the Rt 
Hon peter@gradwell.com, Member of Parliament for 
alt.internet.providers.uk made the following policy announcement...
 
> Thus, we have removed t2 from Telehouse and will spend some time
> investigating the individual failed components.
> 
> At this time, we have no intention to resume a usenet service.

Running a usenet server is a PITA. You're better off without the hassle 
:-)

mike

In article <20000914.0814.2002544snz@microvest.demon.co.uk>, Anthony R. Gold
wrote:
>From the path and the Xref lines, I guess it is something called 
>SuperNewsUK.

Looks to me like an NNTPCache dangled off our UK corporate server.

>Is that (or whatever else this is called) available for 
>individual subscription, how, and at what cost?

It is available for individual subscription (see the URL in the sig and
follow the UK signup link) but in the interests of honesty I feel compelled
to point out a) that it isn't cheap and b) that currently you will get a
better (and cheaper) service from our US servers instead. If you sign up for
the UK account you get access to both the UK and US servers at present; on
the other hand it is perfectly OK to sign up for the US-only account from
the UK, there are no geographical restrictions.

(To be quite honest the UK server is on its last elbows, it should have
been upgraded ages ago but apparently there have been holdups on the
commercial side.)

-- 
Andrew, Supernews (a service of Critical Path, Inc.)
http://www.supernews.com - UK and US individual and corporate NNTP services

"Anthony R. Gold" <tgold@microvest.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> From the path and the Xref lines, I guess it is something called 
> SuperNewsUK. Is that (or whatever else this is called) available for 
> individual subscription, how, and at what cost?

Supernews are a news service provider and of recent they've been
reasonably good, it looks like Peter's upstream outsource their news
service to them (as do many ISPs these days).  If you are paying though,
their UK server is actually pretty crap and by their own admission it
really is in need of replacement, a subscription to the main US server
is about half the price and gives you a better service, work that one
out.
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On 14 Sep 2000 02:59:08 +0100, Tim Haynes
<piglet@glutinous.custard.org> wrote:

>Well, I wouldn't mind, if it weren't *my* losses he's also cutting. While
>it's not a phenomenal amount, Some of us chipped in with said UKP10 in
>order to get decent news access to continue on alt-news; can Peter or
>someone suitably authoritative tell us the life-expectancy of alt-news as
>well?

er, the life expectancy of alt-news is short. 

Before I made the announcement, i rang Denesh @ 10Quid and discussed
it with him. I belive he has a plan to sort those who paid out. I
wouldn't like to speak with him, because I don't know what he decided.
I suggest you contact your local friendly 10Quid Customer Service
Representative.

peter

p.s. Thanks Guys.

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In alt.internet.providers.uk Peter Gradwell <peter@gradwell.com> wrote:
> Before I made the announcement, i rang Denesh @ 10Quid and discussed
> it with him. I belive he has a plan to sort those who paid out. I
> wouldn't like to speak with him, because I don't know what he decided.
> I suggest you contact your local friendly 10Quid Customer Service
> Representative.

Unfortunately, our cust serv rep will not be able to tell you much more 
than the service is unvailable for the forseeable future. We are looking
at various options and an announcement will be sent to all clients who
signed up through us by the weekend. (Sorry about the delay but with
me being at the RIPE meeting in Amsterdam it is a bit hard to discuss
options with the others in Cyberstrider and come to some decisions of
this nature. I am awaiing a report from the people in charge of our Internet
Services part of Cyberstrider)

Regards
Denesh
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10Quid: �10 + VAT per 2 Years: co.uk domain, Web Hosting,  Mail Forwarding
10Quid: �10 + VAT per 8 Months: com domain,  Web Hosting,  Mail Forwarding

Tim Haynes <piglet@glutinous.custard.org> writes:

> Well, I wouldn't mind, if it weren't *my* losses he's also cutting. While
> it's not a phenomenal amount, Some of us chipped in with said UKP10 in
> order to get decent news access to continue on alt-news;
[]

I should point out that I'm not copmletely ungrateful for still being able
to post, the above notwithstanding ;8)

~Tim
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Peter Gradwell <peter@gradwell.com> writes:

> >Well, I wouldn't mind, if it weren't *my* losses he's also
> >cutting. While it's not a phenomenal amount, Some of us chipped in with
> >said UKP10 in order to get decent news access to continue on alt-news;
> >can Peter or someone suitably authoritative tell us the life-expectancy
> >of alt-news as well?
> 
> er, the life expectancy of alt-news is short. 

S'ok, that's not a problem. Thanks for letting us know.

> Before I made the announcement, i rang Denesh @ 10Quid and discussed it
> with him. I belive he has a plan to sort those who paid out. I wouldn't
> like to speak with him, because I don't know what he decided.  I suggest
> you contact your local friendly 10Quid Customer Service Representative.

Right. Might well do that then.

Thanks for cool service while it lasted - take another poster's hint and
feel free to be similarly inspired in the future by all means ;8)

~Tim
-- 
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Sometimes you're the statue.                    | http://piglet.is.dreaming.org

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:14:05 +0100 (BST), tgold@microvest.demon.co.uk
("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:

>On 14 Sep, in article
>     <87itrzzqc3.fsf@spodzone.pigsty.org.uk>
>     piglet@glutinous.custard.org "Tim Haynes" wrote:
>
>> Well, I wouldn't mind, if it weren't *my* losses he's also cutting. While
>> it's not a phenomenal amount, Some of us chipped in with said UKP10 in
>> order to get decent news access to continue on alt-news; can Peter or
>> someone suitably authoritative tell us the life-expectancy of alt-news as
>> well?
>
>BTW, what is alt-news anyway?

it's an nntpcache on the front of news.nildram.co.uk, our upstream
ISP.

Which is why it's short lived.

peter

-- 
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In article <20000913.224919.C2AD4807.l3aa@pierrot.co.uk>, Terrance
Richard Boyes <tez@pierrot.co.uk> writes
>In demon.service {R} Richard Ashton <{R}@news.semolina.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:38:44 +0100, Peter Gradwell <peter@gradwell.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> }At this time, we have no intention to resume a usenet service.
>
>> One reputation carefully earned, straight down the pan.
>
>Not IMO. He had a go, found it wasn't viable, cut his losses.
>
Goes up in my estimation for honesty all round - shit happens.

If it had worked, great for us, and (a probably small amount) of beer
money for him.  I suspect the risk of support costs stops the venture
for the moment.  I hope a fit of keenness or wishing to prove a point
will resurrect the idea.

Now go and get a First, Peter!  (No, not thirst...:)

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Dave Mason <dave@lowjobs.co.uk> writes:

[]
> >One reputation carefully earned, straight down the pan.
> >
> >{R}
> 
> Is this the real {R}?
> I find it very hard to tell the difference these days.

Wouldn't like to say...

> Peter had the balls to be honest and cut his losses.  I admire him for
> that.

Well, I wouldn't mind, if it weren't *my* losses he's also cutting. While
it's not a phenomenal amount, Some of us chipped in with said UKP10 in
order to get decent news access to continue on alt-news; can Peter or
someone suitably authoritative tell us the life-expectancy of alt-news as
well?

~Tim
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