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i have been with freeserve from september and am still using their original
off peak time service..i say you should go with freeserve becoz you get 2x
0844 04 dial up numbers so if one is down the other should work...put it
this way..since january i have had first time connections at 46,667bps or
above and have had no mail or server problems since then! but i am now
switching to a telewest phoneline and blueyonder surf unlimited will be the
one for me!

Taiwan Beer <beer@taiwan.com.tw> wrote in message
news:515X6.22283$jd1.1570692@monolith.news.easynet.net...
| I have signed up to BT's surfspend or whatever it's called for
| evening/weekend use. I have to decide between LineOne or Freeserve (is
there
| another choice?) and can't see much to chose.
|
| Which one is better?
|
| (quick connection, reasonable speed, doesn't fall over like BTi, not
too
| bothered about mail servers - I get my mail by pop from elsewhere,
must
| support all protocols (like ftp and gopher) and not block ports, good
news
| feed)
|
| TIA
|
| TB
-------------------------------------
Freeserve has just been voted  best Isp
by ComputerActive readers.
In my opinion the best computer magazine on the market.
Read into that what you will.

Hi,

I'd go with Freeserve if I were you. I've been with them for 2 years now
without complaint. I've just had a peep into the Lineone forums where a
number of people are up in arms regarding their Surftime package because
they are being banned for over using it!! Apparently there is a 9 hour per
week limit on their so called unlimited offer. They have constant random
disconnects, and trouble getting connected in the first place. I also
believe their E-mail servers constantly fall over, and customer support is
next to useless. No stick with Freeserve kid.

Rob

"Taiwan Beer" <beer@taiwan.com.tw> wrote in message
news:515X6.22283$jd1.1570692@monolith.news.easynet.net...
> I have signed up to BT's surfspend or whatever it's called for
> evening/weekend use. I have to decide between LineOne or Freeserve (is
there
> another choice?) and can't see much to chose.
>
> Which one is better?
>
> (quick connection, reasonable speed, doesn't fall over like BTi, not too
> bothered about mail servers - I get my mail by pop from elsewhere, must
> support all protocols (like ftp and gopher) and not block ports, good news
> feed)
>
> TIA
>
> TB
>
>

Is that your experience?  Or did you find that when there have been
problems they were further down the line and both numbers were out?


On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:01:18 +0100, "Craig Dack"
<craigdack@thegame136.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>i have been with freeserve from september and am still using their original
>off peak time service..i say you should go with freeserve becoz you get 2x
>0844 04 dial up numbers so if one is down the other should work..

Per WEEK?

>
>I'd go with Freeserve if I were you. I've been with them for 2 years now
>without complaint. I've just had a peep into the Lineone forums where a
>number of people are up in arms regarding their Surftime package because
>they are being banned for over using it!! Apparently there is a 9 hour per
>week limit on their so called unlimited offer. They have constant random
>disconnects, and trouble getting connected in the first place. I also
>believe their E-mail servers constantly fall over, and customer support is
>next to useless. No stick with Freeserve kid.

I know sad innit!!

"Laurence Payne" <lp@laurencepayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9tqpitkleht1m7badgcb9cvjub2hf303db@4ax.com...
> Per WEEK?
>
> >
> >I'd go with Freeserve if I were you. I've been with them for 2 years now
> >without complaint. I've just had a peep into the Lineone forums where a
> >number of people are up in arms regarding their Surftime package because
> >they are being banned for over using it!! Apparently there is a 9 hour
per
> >week limit on their so called unlimited offer. They have constant random
> >disconnects, and trouble getting connected in the first place. I also
> >believe their E-mail servers constantly fall over, and customer support
is
> >next to useless. No stick with Freeserve kid.
>

"Taiwan Beer" <beer@taiwan.com.tw> wrote in message
news:515X6.22283$jd1.1570692@monolith.news.easynet.net...
> I have signed up to BT's surfspend or whatever it's called for
> evening/weekend use. I have to decide between LineOne or Freeserve (is
there
> another choice?) and can't see much to chose.
>
> Which one is better?
>
> (quick connection, reasonable speed, doesn't fall over like BTi, not too
> bothered about mail servers - I get my mail by pop from elsewhere, must
> support all protocols (like ftp and gopher) and not block ports, good news
> feed)
>
> TIA
>
> TB

I've used both.  Freeserve is far and away the best.

Slipper.

Appalling. Thanks for your advice - I'll be signing up with Freeserve
tomorrow evening then.

Thanks again.

TB


"Rob" <Man@arms4.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9giq6o$i9d$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I know sad innit!!
>
> "Laurence Payne" <lp@laurencepayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9tqpitkleht1m7badgcb9cvjub2hf303db@4ax.com...
> > Per WEEK?
> >
> > >
> > >I'd go with Freeserve if I were you. I've been with them for 2 years
now
> > >without complaint. I've just had a peep into the Lineone forums where a
> > >number of people are up in arms regarding their Surftime package
because
> > >they are being banned for over using it!! Apparently there is a 9 hour
> per
> > >week limit on their so called unlimited offer. They have constant
random
> > >disconnects, and trouble getting connected in the first place. I also
> > >believe their E-mail servers constantly fall over, and customer support
> is
> > >next to useless. No stick with Freeserve kid.
> >
>
>

Taiwan Beer <beer@taiwan.com.tw> said the following:
>I have signed up to BT's surfspend or whatever it's called for
>evening/weekend use. I have to decide between LineOne or Freeserve (is there
>another choice?) and can't see much to chose.
>
>Which one is better?

If you're limiting yourself to those two then FS is far better than L1.
>
>(quick connection, reasonable speed, doesn't fall over like BTi, not too
>bothered about mail servers - I get my mail by pop from elsewhere, must
>support all protocols (like ftp and gopher) and not block ports, good news
>feed)
>
You might also consider Demon for a few quid more. Tenner plus VAT a 
month plus your 5.99 to BT for evening/weekend surftime. Also get a g4 
tariff 0844 09 number for daytime (sig less than 0845) plus three other
0845 dialups through COLT, NER and ST. No 2 hour cutoff. If you download
files frequently then they have BatchFTP - they download the files to 
their server and you then download from there - far faster than doing it 
yourself from source as Demon <--> connections are far quicker. From 
here never had to redial to get connected to Demon but FS usually 2-10 
:-(



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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:28:24 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:


>You might also consider Demon for a few quid more. 

Demon does not have a very comprehensive NG lists. Some folk have
resigned because Demon do not do 'requests'?

www.edinburghairport.org.uk

fox1 <fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> said the following:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:28:24 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>
>>You might also consider Demon for a few quid more.
>
>Demon does not have a very comprehensive NG lists. Some folk have
>resigned because Demon do not do 'requests'?
>
38,724 groups on Demon at last download. It excludes the groups when 
some silly prat mistyped a newsgroup line that some news servers add 
willy-nilly - hence the servers who claim 78K+ groups - including one 
that was recently (and still is) carrying alt.internet.provdiers.uk and 
I have seen freserve.* groups on some. Just got 36,419 from FS and 
28,127 from L1 - the two the original poster mentioned - not exactly as 
comprehensive.

Depends of course , for adding groups, what you request direct to 
newsmaster@demon.net and, also, it is helpful if you can give sample 
headers so they can see where they can get a group from. The three times 
I've asked Demon to carry non-big8 groups they have been added - perhaps 
it's how you address the request in your email that also counts ? One 
might also add the clueless posts in assorted demon.* groups asking for
a group to be added.


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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:14:13 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:


>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.

Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?

In article <rrpritg7okui6hmvkdr2u32vrieaurcp72@4ax.com>, fox1 
<fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:28:24 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>
>
>>You might also consider Demon for a few quid more.
>
>Demon does not have a very comprehensive NG lists.


How many would constitute comprehensive?
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fox1 <fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> said the following:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:14:13 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>
>
>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.
>
>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?

Not that I am aware of. Anyway, if they are missing one you want, 
newsmaster@demon.net is your friend if you email politely.
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In article <vhgsitgca6v6bk3ucjhok5io8beikkcjdl@4ax.com>, fox1 
<fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.
>
>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?


When did Demon have this policy?

-- 
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:46:29 +0100, Paul Baker <newsjuly@levante.demon.co.uk> tapped the keyboard:


>How many would constitute comprehensive?

I would say, "Adding on auto" ? :-)

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:11:35 +0100, Paul Baker <newsjuly@levante.demon.co.uk> tapped the keyboard:

>>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?

>When did Demon have this policy?

Must have been in the past, many ex-demons are  now in FS because
they could not access the NG's they wanted.?

Demon are not alone in suffering desertions for the same reasons.?

I have left AOL because they could not allow me access to newsgroups
that FS have. :-(

David Lindsay <only@use.reply-to.co.uk> said the following:
>X-no-archive: yes

That should be in your header not the body.

>    In article <ddME55AlbjL7EweO@pkuatb.net>, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net>
>writes

>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download. It excludes the groups when
>>some silly prat mistyped a newsgroup line that some news servers add
>>willy-nilly - hence the servers who claim 78K+ groups - including one
>>that was recently (and still is) carrying alt.internet.provdiers.uk and
>>I have seen freserve.* groups on some. Just got 36,419 from FS and
>>28,127 from L1 - the two the original poster mentioned - not exactly as
>>comprehensive.
>
>Binary groups are extremely bad, even Demon say that NG's are
>"unsupported". Where have you been recently!
>
Happily collecting text groups from Demon as I have for a good number of 
years. Usenet was not intended for binaries.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:03:38 +0100, fox1
<fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:14:13 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>
>
>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.
>
>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?

Apologies for not keeping up here.  What is/are big 8 NG's when they
are at home then?
--
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Imps / Davrians / 128K ISDN + surftime info / qmail patch

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:28:23 GMT, reject@chater.demon.co.uk (Mark
Chater) wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:03:38 +0100, fox1
><fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:14:13 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.
>>
>>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?
>
>Apologies for not keeping up here.  What is/are big 8 NG's when they
>are at home then?

Big 8 news groups. comp, sci, news, alt, rec, humanities, misc, talk,
soc.

peter

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Peter Gradwell <peter@gradwell.com> said the following:
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:28:23 GMT, reject@chater.demon.co.uk (Mark
>Chater) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:03:38 +0100, fox1
>><fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:14:13 +0100, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>38,724 groups on Demon at last download.
>>>
>>>Demon must have changed their policy about not adding big 8 NG's?
>>
>>Apologies for not keeping up here.  What is/are big 8 NG's when they
>>are at home then?
>
>Big 8 news groups. comp, sci, news, alt, rec, humanities, misc, talk,
>soc.
>
alt.* is not a member of the big 8

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:39:36 +0100, David Lindsay <only@use.reply-to.co.uk> tapped the keyboard:

>Binary groups are extremely bad, even Demon say that NG's are
>"unsupported". Where have you been recently!

I left Demon many, many, moons ago. :-)

In article <3dttitkpgmmvrqn95huhpl7hv41eb01j3h@4ax.com>, fox1 
<fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>When did Demon have this policy?
>
>Must have been in the past, many ex-demons are  now in FS because they 
>could not access the NG's they wanted.?


I think more deserted demon because it cost a tenner a month and FS 
didn't.  Demon appear to have more groups than FS from the list I have 
here.  Having said that the absolute number of groups is really not a 
useful measure as many are inactive, poorly propagated etc etc as said 
earlier (by Pedt?)
-- 
Paul

In article <v5iCxFAI$wL7Ewrl@sdresearch.fsnet.co.uk>, David Lindsay 
<only@use.reply-to.co.uk> writes
>Binary groups are extremely bad,

Whose are good?

> even Demon say that NG's are "unsupported".

They always have done (as long as I've been with Demon) (KA9Q)
-- 
Paul

In article <o9ttitsrigd2fq1jms4mo6fgtgta5mc73c@4ax.com>, fox1 
<fox1NOSPAM@fox1edi.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>How many would constitute comprehensive?
>
>I would say, "Adding on auto" ? :-)

I'm glad that you added the :)
-- 
Paul

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:11:30 +0100, "T.J." <no1@home.invalid>
wrote:  <snip>
>Freeserve has just been voted  best Isp
>by ComputerActive readers.

Mmm... I've not seen the details but can't help wondering, since
Freeserve have far more customers than most others then even if
only 10% are happy and vote then they will outweigh everyone
else? Plus, Freeserve customers might not represent an
experienced user sample. Many of them may be first time users
knowing little about the Internet but just picked up the CD in
Dixons. Just curious as to how the stats were arrived at.
-- 
Paul
[email Paul AT fidcal.com]

In article <u3zoDCNY2aL7Ewrt@pkuatb.net>, Pedt <bofh@pkuatb.net> writes
>Taiwan Beer <beer@taiwan.com.tw> said the following:
>>I have signed up to BT's surfspend or whatever it's called for
>>evening/weekend use. I have to decide between LineOne or Freeserve (is there
>>another choice?) and can't see much to chose.
>>
>>Which one is better?
>
>If you're limiting yourself to those two then FS is far better than L1.
>>
>>(quick connection, reasonable speed, doesn't fall over like BTi, not too
>>bothered about mail servers - I get my mail by pop from elsewhere, must
>>support all protocols (like ftp and gopher) and not block ports, good news
>>feed)
>>
>You might also consider Demon for a few quid more. Tenner plus VAT a 
>month plus your 5.99 to BT for evening/weekend surftime. Also get a g4 
>tariff 0844 09 number for daytime (sig less than 0845) plus three other
>0845 dialups through COLT, NER and ST. No 2 hour cutoff. If you download
>files frequently then they have BatchFTP - they download the files to 
>their server and you then download from there - far faster than doing 
>it yourself from source as Demon <--> connections are far quicker. From 
>here never had to redial to get connected to Demon but FS usually 2-10 :-(

for a little more, you may wish to also consider someone such as 
Nildram. I left Demon after around 5 years and moved to Nildram earlier 
this year and haven't looked back since (except to look in the 
demon.service newsgroup for a good laugh !).

-- 
dee