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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:22:02 -0700, Clayton Colwell wrote
(in message <359948ea.0@feed1.realtime.net>):
> 
> In case you haven't heard yet (despite the hoopla during June), July has 
> been declared the Official Starve The Troll (StT) Month, in an attempt to 
> promote on-topic discussion relatively free of non sequiturs and eternal 
> metathreads.

Sounds like a phoney-baloney PR campaign by the "censor gooks" to me. Since it 
comes from people affiliated with censor-gooks.

You censor-gooks have overused the "troll" word so much that it's totally 
useless. Actually, though, you have found it useful in terms of your censorship 
efforts. You use it as a club, and as another weapon in your arsenal of 
censoring according to your "pre-conditions" of free speech. But, people are 
catching on and are not buying it anymore.



> The premise: if obvious troll-messages are not responded to, those trolls 
> who thrive on inciting attention (of whatever sort -- from nasty invective 
> to playful teasing to incessant needling) might not be fed their preferred 
> diet and might have incentive to either stop their trolling or at least move 
> elsewhere.

A nice fairy tale for a bedtime story. If only it matched real life. That's not 
the way it works with real people. You see, you think real people (when they 
argue about issues or disagree about something) disagree with you -- that the 
only reason they could do such a thing would be if they want attention. What 
arrogance on your part, as if your position is the right one, and therefore if 
anyone disagrees with it, it means that they only want attention. Boy, censors 
must be the smartest people in the world. In reality they are some of the 
dumbest in the world, or they would "get" what free speech is about.

The problem with your "theory" is that it's not true. Simple. People disagree 
because each side has its reasons and rationale. Sometimes there are many 
different variations. The problem with "censors" is that they want to "impose" 
the "proper" variation of whatever they think is right -- and if you disagree 
with their position -- then **by disagreement with them** you *must be* a 
troll. It's simple logic in a censor's mind -- but that's because a censor has 
a *simple mind*.

And furthermore, the philosophy of free speech and the resulting vigorous 
discussions that result from it are too complex for the "censor-gook" to 
understand. So, what a "censor-gook" doesn't understand, he censors.



> At the risk of doing some minor feeding here, I will point out that Travid 
> (aka tracey12@swbell.net, aka teaser007@aol.com, aka david084@flashnet.com) 
> is the main target-to-be-ignored. However, other trolls do raise their ugly 
> snouts from time to time.  I ask that all participants in austin.general 
> (and that includes those who may crosspost here) use reasonable common sense 
> to detect trolling messages and resist the tempt- ation to respond, no 
> matter how incensing the message may be, for that emotional response, 
> triggering a follow-up, is precisely what the troll wants.

Well, folks, you see what the "censor-gook" wants you to do here. He paints a 
picture (it's his defective picture of the world, the censor's world) -- and 
the censor-gook wants you to "buy into" his picture. He's saying, here are my 
simple values, no free speech, because anyone that looks like they may be 
disagreeing with my viewpoint -- automatically has to be a "troll". Now isn't 
that convenient and simple logic.

Nope, what you've got going here with this censor-gook is called brainwashing. 
The point here is that you are not to think for yourself. No, that is not 
allowed. You can only *appear* to think for yourself, but once you actively 
start engaging in the practice of thinking for yourself -- well... we've got a 
name for that and it's called "troll." Like I said, it's a "simple" world that 
the censor-gook lives in.



> I don't intend to be utterly net-coppish, though.  I will privately e-mail 
> individuals who Feed The Troll, but I shall only do so once.  I cannot force 
> compliance; I merely ask that folks take some time out to help us A.Gers 
> with our little experiment. Note that I will *not* be cc:ing anyone's 
> postmaster in this regard.  EXCEPTION: anonymous posters who feed a troll, 
> simply because it would be the only way to contact them shy of a follow-up 
> post, which would defeat the purpose of StT Month.

Well, no need to be "net-coppish" about it when you've already formed the 
"enforcement squad" of censor-gooks to eliminate postings that you don't like. 
If there is some content that must not be allowed to "infect" the audience, the 
"industry-whores" will come in and do some "forgeries". They go around and 
"forge" a cancel (as if it came from the original author) and fool the other 
computers around to believe it's a legitimate cancel from the original poster 
-- and *poof* -- the censor-gook's dirty deed is done.

So, no -- you must be on the "PR" patrol -- while there are others like 
"Censor-All Rosenthal" who do the "forgery operations".



> I also ask that, if y'all see someone feeding the troll, that you *not* 
> point this out via a posted follow-up, as this completely defeats the 
> purpose of StT Month. 
> 
> I shall do this at least through July 8.  If y'all find my "administration" 
> to be deficient, then I leave it to y'all to find another spokesperson after 
> that time.  If need be, I plan to continue throughout all of July. (Given 
> that post-expires are different depending on the ISP, I shall repost this on 
> July 4 and July 8, figuring that every 4 days should be a decent interval to 
> reach folks who may be just tuning in to a.g.) 

Yes, stopping and thinking about this process gets one to laughing pretty hard. 
Just to think, that adults who are endowed with free speech in this country 
actually *need* a "spokesperson" to "watch" what we are saying. What next? Will 
they be coming into the homes, as a next step in the future. What kind of 
"compliance" is going to be needed later on.

Next, they'll be standing on every street corner, saying we're extending our 
operations and we're helping you identify the "trolls" out here in real life. 
The guys standing on the corner will help you identify the "trolls" before you 
get "caught" in any conversation --

    "Oh no, there comes a troll walking down the street. I've seen
     him before, and you don't want to talk to him. No way. That's
     bad. And you know, if you talk to him, all you'll be doing is
     giving him some sort of perverted recognition and we're here
     to protect you and we don't want that bad "troll stuff" to happen."



> 
> So, to all of austin.general: good luck!  Let's see where this can take us. 
> 

It can only lead to declaring censorship a success at this level and ready to 
move up to the next level of censorship. Pretty soon the censor-gooks will have 
everything *under control* and you'll never have to worry again about any kind 
of irritating conversation (at least irritating to the censor-gook). At that 
point, the censor-gook will have achieved his "simple world" -- a world with 
only one opinion -- his.



> ******  Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf)  **********  eris@bga.com  ****** * 
> "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically * * 
> mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them."     * *    
> -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal                                        * 

He's from another one of those companies who is spearheading censorship and 
covering up fraud and deception in the ISP and Internet areas. Since these guys 
are doing business in this area, they have great incentive to cover up these 
fraudulent activities and participate in censorship and the covering up of 
these kinds of warnings to consumers and others. They don't want to warn 
consumers away from scams and fraudulent business practices (in their industry 
or field). These guys are part of the "censor-gook" team who want to cover 
these things up.


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