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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:11:15 -0700, I wish I could be AHZZ! (not wrote
(in message <35941700.141676750@nntp.ix.netcom.com>):
> 
> Excuse my two cents worth, but I've been reading the posts about this ISP 
> and that one, complaints about policy, time online, etc., etc. and I have a 
> rather general comment.

It's good to have comments on this subject. There are some here (like 
"Censor-All Rosenthal") who are "industry-whores" who cancel other people's 
comments when they don't like what they are saying.

At The Aldebaran Group, Ltd., we're all for comments, free speech and 
consumerism on the Internet. And we support free speech no matter what a 
person's side of the issue is. This is quite different from the fraudulent ISPs 
who try to use censorship to cover up their fraudulent activities.



 Though I have seen many ISPs offer unlimited access, 
> I've yet to see one that offers unlimited connect time.

Well, my friend, you've had very limited exposure then. I've used and still use 
two different ISPs that "advertise" unlimited, charge for unlimited and 
actually *deliver* unlimited. And I also have another ISP that has an hourly 
limit per month, and they charge **less** to make up for the fact that they are 
not giving full "unlimited" service. If this is the state of affairs in Texas, 
I would say we need to bring the "consumerism" from Oregon to the State of 
Texas for the benefit of the disadvantaged and cheated consumers there.

And another ISP, who is a national provider who offers "unlimited" service is 
Earthlink. There are so many ISPs who offer and **deliver** unlimited, that 
there is absolutely no reason to stay with a fraudulent ISP service who tries 
to cheat you on the use of their terminology.


> ... There IS a 
> difference, one is a generality: unlimited access to what? To all the 
> internet has to offer, if so then they have fulfilled their promise. The 
> other is a specific claim: unlimited connect time.

And here is where we separate the "frauds" from the "honest" ones. The ones who 
commit fraudulent advertising to lead the consumer to believe they are offering 
"unlimited" service -- but cheat and really say in the "gotchas" that it's only 
unlimited in your "ability to access different parts and functions of the 
Internet" -- those are the "fraudulent and cheating ISPs." They are the ones 
who are desperately trying to "cover up" their fraud and they try to "redefine" 
what has always been a standard definition in the industry for "unlimited."

It simply means you can access your account as many times as you want, for as 
long as you want, as long as you sign off when you're done with your stuff. 
That's all. It's simple.

The cheaters and scammers try to fool the public into believe that this was 
"never" the definition. *It always has been the definition* of unlimited. The 
ISP who tries to tell you otherwise is like a department store trying to sell 
you a radio (for the price of a fine television set), saying that the fine 
print "defines" this appliance as a television without the picture tube. And 
the picture tube is at "extra cost." That's the fraudulent ISP for you. Can you 
imagine a department store getting away with "redefining" the meaning of a 
television set (in their fine print) so that they could sell you a radio 
instead (at television set prices, of course). They would be hauled up in court 
on charges in no time flat. There is where your "fraudulent ISP is at.

And also, don't get fooled into the story that this definition of "unlimited" 
means "dedicated service." The ISPs who try that story on you know very well 
they are lying like dogs through their teeth when they tell you that. 
"Dedicated service" means being connected all the time. "Unlimited Service" 
means being connected for as long as you want, as many times as you want, as 
long as you disconnect when done. There is a big, big difference between the 
two. The ISP who tries to confuse you with those two are the biggest scum in 
the world.

The minute you hear one of the ISPs use that argument that they cannot provide 
"dedicated service" -- you immediately know they are the biggest frauds and 
scammers in the state. The reason why is that they know very well what the 
difference is, and yet they are hoping that you don't the difference and will 
be fooled by their totally fake argument. That shows *full intent* to deceive 
on part of that ISP.



> ... It is basically one of 
> those read-between-the-lines type of promises that lets you assume that you 
> know what they are speaking about without asking for further clarification.

Can you imagine getting "further clarification" to "verify" if what you were 
buying was *really* a television set -- and not a "radio" made to look like a 
television? Why would you *ever* seek to get clarification about that???

Well, I can tell you one situation in which you would seek *further 
clarification* that this television set was really a television set and not a 
radio. The instance in which you would do that is when you discover that 
departments stores have started **cheating** customers and they've actually 
pulled that stunt on a few unsuspecting customers. At that time -- you had 
better really verify that it is **really** a television set you are buying and 
not just an ordinary radio made to look like a television set.

That's the state of affairs with the ISPs. All of a sudden people have 
discovered that some ISPs started **cheating and scamming** their customers by 
hiding "gotchas" inside language they were hoping no one would look at. And 
now, many people have found out that what was previously understood as 
"unlimited" has now be "fraudulently" redefined. In other words, all of a 
sudden, consumers are finding out that they are buying television sets that are 
really just radios. That's when you start looking with a microscope.

And that's what The Aldebaran Group, Ltd. is going to be doing for consumers, 
too. What a bunch of scammers and frauds some of these ISPs are!!


 
> You might ask the ISP what that policy means, if they state that it is an 
> unlimited connect time policy, get it in writing then ask them how that type 
> of account differs from a dedicated account. In all probability though, they 
> won't say 'unlimited connect time'. I'm willing to bet that most will hem 
> and haw and come up with some rather vague and weak explanations of what 
> unlimited access means. 

Not at all. The honest ones come straight out and confirm, in no uncertain 
terms that unlimited means exactly what the consumer thinks it means. That is 
being able to sign on as many times as they want, for as long as they want, as 
long as they sign off when they are done. It's that simple. Many ISPs confirm 
that in "absolute terms." Point blank!!



> .... IMHO, someone coined the phrase as a 'marketing 
> strategy', back when ISPs started moving away from hourly charged accounts, 
> and another company, not to be left out, started using it, and eventually it 
> became a 'buzz phrase' that everyone used with little or no idea of what 
> they meant by it.

Nope, you're wrong there. Everyone knew *exactly* what that meant and they 
adhered to it -- until the time when the "scammers" and the "cheats" arrived in 
the ISP business and made people aware that they were being scammed out of 
their money. It's the "cheaters" and the "scammers" -- those ISPs who are 
depending on that understanding of the previous state of affairs to allow them 
to cheat the consumers. Those cheating ISPs know that the consumer is aware of 
what "unlimited" is -- and that's where the cheating ISPs spring the "gotchas" 
on them. The "industry whores" will say -- "You should have read the fine 
print" -- and the whores and the cheating ISPs go laughing all the way to the 
bank, to deposit the money they cheated out of the consumers.



> ... Who is responsible if you buy a house, or a car, or get a 
> loan and don't take the time to read and understand the fine print and get 
> the definitions of wording contained in the contract, or warranty. What is a 
> limited warranty? What is a pro-rated warranty? What is guaranteed by a 
> guarantee What is the difference between a warranty and a guarantee What is 
> unlimited access? Does the expiration date on perishable groceries mean that 
> you have to throw it out then, or is it the last day it can be sold? Why 
> should your purchase of services from an ISP be governed by less forethought 
> and consideration than other purchase you make? ?????? 

In the past, before all the cheating and scamming ISPs, along with the 
"industry whores" showing up -- people knew exactly what was meant. Now, they 
have to watch closely and now they have to be wary. The Aldebaran Group, Ltd. 
is one of those "watchdogs" for the consumers to warn about the cheating and 
the scamming ISPs. It's here that what you're saying above -- about "watching 
out" is happening. We'll be watching closely the state of affairs and be 
warning the consumer about those cheats and those scammers of the consumer.

Yep, it's just like buying a house that is termite infested, or a can of beans 
that is half full, or a store that has a shelf price lower than the "register 
price." You report the cheats and the frauds and you get your money back. 
That's what you do with the cheats and the frauds in the ISP business, too.



> 
>  Goodnight...................... 
> 
>                              smh

Goodnight to you too. I trust you're not one of those cheating ISPs and frauds.


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