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Re: NEWS: Free Wi-Fi still a goer in San Fran'

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From: Roy
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:05
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Bill Z. wrote:
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes:
> 
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:09:50 -0400, jayjwa <jayjwa@vdrl.ath.cx.invalid>
>> wrote in <x7d4lqt381.fsf@vdrl.ath.cx>:
>>
> 
>>> The first home Internet connections were like that.  I remember years
>>> ago when AOL made its big start. The usage was metered and you'd have
>>> one eye on the clock, one on what you were doing. Several of my first
>>> accounts were like that. You'd get so many "hours" of use, and beyond
>>> that, you'd pay through the nose for each minute/hour/unit over
>>> time. Flat-rate was when Internet took off. Before that, people used
>>> to get pissed at stuff like a 6-line signature because their usage was
>>> metered. This was more by connection time and you are talking more
>>> about data size, but the idea is the same: some ticker running out on
>>> you. Let's move forward, not backwards.
>> That makes no sense.  The market only works when price signals are
>> related to actual cost, and flat rate pricing is clearly broken.  
> 
> Unfortunately, metered pricing is broken too.  How would you charge
> for email, for example?  Should the user pay per byte to receive
> spam?  Should the sender pay and if so, how do you bill the sender?
> If someone whose computer is hijacked ends up with an astronomical
> bill one month, the likely result will be a customer who decides
> that the Internet isn't worth it.
> 
> The other problem is that you can't determine how much data you
> are getting in advance - try to do that with a web page whose
> server is using chunked encoding.  If you can't determine the
> price before buying it, a market-based approach simply doesn't
> work.
> 
> Bill
> 

I like the European cell phone model.  The caller pays the for the call.
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