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Re: How many Google wireless access points for San Francisco?

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From: Jeff Liebermann
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:42
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:23:41 GMT, John Navas
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>In <evnsl1tl9hh8vn6n9foam63fvn4t3tqp03@4ax.com> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:59:35
>-0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:

>>(...)  I suspect that
>>the SF network will be much of the same as Google discovers RF
>>reality.  I'm sure the stockholders will eventually have something to
>>say when this project starts resembling a financial black hole.

>What makes you think that Google is dumb enough to have not studied the RF
>issues?  A lot of very, very smart folks are at Google, which has a pretty
>sterling track record.

I didn't even suggest that Google hadn't "studied" the RF issues. They
can study something until they're buried in reports and paperwork.
What makes the distinction between studies and reality is actually
building a system and trying to make it play.  That doesn't mean an
in-house system inside the Googleplex, but a real live outdoor WISP
(wireless ISP) system complete with interference issues, irate
customers, tech support, maintenance nightmares, physical access
issues, and local politics.  The RF issues are just part of the
puzzle.  Perhaps I'm not giving the very smart folks at Google
sufficient credit for predicting the real and potential problems with
deploying such a wireless network.  Perhaps Google's math isn't much
better than mine[1].  Perhaps I'm being just my normal cynical self.
Perhaps I'm biased by previous experiences with very smart people
offering science fiction business plans in the dot com era.  I just
look at the numbers, the history, my limited experience, and offer my
judgment.  I don't subscribed to calls to authority.


[1] http://www.outlook4mobility.com/commentary2005/oct1305.htm
I also made the same calculation error plus some additional math
screwups.  Oops.

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