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here is a list of people that Tim Skirvin Hates.
This litttle 18 year-old boy sure hates a lot of people:

http://arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu/why.html#Grubor

> The Dungeon
> 
> My World Wide Web Pages are black for 48 hours to protest
> second-class treatment from the US Government for free speech. Read
> about it at this WWW page.
> 
> /This is where we keep the idiots/
> *Fun job, that*
> /Anyway, from here on in, it's Tim's show/
> *This oughta explain why everyone's in here*
> 
> The Prisoners
> 
> * Mark Gibson
> * Steve "Speedbump" Boursy
> * Michael Falkner
> * Robin King
> * Supreme Overlord KAZ Vorpal
> * Bob Allisat
> * Rick "Woody" Sherwood
> * Joseph Dunphy
> * John Grubor
> * The Guest Cell -- Stanley, Hayes, Westbrook, Palmer, Winter, wilf, bat, etc.
> 
> Mark Gibson
> 
> gibson@prairienet.org
> 
> I met Mark Gibson on pnet.talk.politics, a local political group
> that I once frequented. He was outspoken, rude, obnoxious, and so
> forth; I dealt with it, just because that's how I worked back then.
> 
> Eventually, though, he _really_ got on my nerves. He would never
> actually argue points, he'd just go back to personal attacks; he
> wouldn't ever have substance to his posts; he spent a lot of time
> just randomly flaming, never mind that some of us wanted to argue
> with him.
> 
> Because of him, I decided to have a killfile.
> 
> *Hey, what about us?*
> /You never mention us in these things.../
> 
> Of course, I now know him in real life -- and he's really nowhere
> near as bad. Ah, well. That doesn't mean he's getting out or
> anything.
> 
> /He's _real_ obnoxious around here, so you know/
> *Not the worst, of course (we get a whole bunch of idiots around here),
> but pretty close to it*
> /The best part is that he still doesn't believe he _is_ killfiled/
> *Denying your state of existance is fun to watch...*
> 
> * The Great Re-*plonk* -- July 17, 1995
> After I took Mark out for a short period of time, just to see if
> he'd gotten a bit better on the net, I found more of the same; I may
> have lost the original *plonk*, but here's second-best.
> 
> Additional information: Mark hangs around on talk.politics.guns most
> of the time; if you really want to find him, he'll be there.
> 
> Stephen "Speedbump" Boursy
> 
> boursy@world.std.com
> 
> Steve Boursy, known to much of Usenet as "Speedbump", is a guy from
> somewhere in New England that I don't appreciate very much.
> 
> /_You_ don't appreciate him much?/
> 
> Steve has many claims to fame, actually, more than he really
> deserves. Mostly, he's known as a nuisance to just about everyone
> that reads news.admin.* (myself included), for one major reason: he
> insists that everone's a censor. _Everyone_.
> 
> *Guess how he feels about us*
> 
> Boursy first came to prominence when he was trolled big-time by Joel
> Furr, in one of the great flamewars of all time. Joel posted that
> Steve had been added "to the global killfile"; Boursy, who had no
> idea what he was talking about, thought he was serious and went on a
> large campaign against Joel.
> 
> Needless to say, it was _really_ damned funny.
> 
> That's not all that he's famous for, though. He has a term named
> after him: boursify, meaning "to add multiple meaningless newsgroups
> to the header for no particular reason". He has two newsgroups: his
> own fan group, alt.fan.speedbump, and news.admin.policy, which he
> inherited after every other living being on earth gave up on it. He
> has attempted to get various people's accounts revoked for posting
> political opinions from a company machines. His favorite phrase is
> "Thus showing the need for Consumer Protection Legislation"
> concerning ISPs. And who could forget his "Dave Lawrence is a
> censor!" campaign?
> 
> Basically, I just gave up with him after a short time trying to
> argue with him. It didn't work. It has also definitely saved me a
> lot of time and trouble to keep him safely away.
> 
> /Yeah, and he's stuck in here/
> *We don't like him*
> /He's annoying/
> *It is fun to whack him*
> 
> * A random insult -- January 12, 1996
> Every now and then, Boursy pops back up somewhere and is annoying.
> Even the Daemons think so.
> 
> Additional information: Boursy and Grubor are currently waging a two
> man war against all of news.admin.net-abuse.misc for the Evil
> Practice of Cancels(tm). Part of this has been threats against such
> people as Chris Lewis and Jan Isley. Steve may not be around much
> longer.
> 
> Michael Falkner
> 
> mfalkner@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
> 
> Falkner is...well, insane.
> 
> *You're kidding*
> /_We_ never noticed.../
> *sigh*
> 
> I tried arguing with him a while back. It was about censorship in
> general, I think; he argued that the first amendment didn't apply,
> because nobody had the right to have others amplify their speech. Or
> something. I never really understood it. Of course, we did get out
> such wonderful quotes as "Why is everyone so damned scared of an
> Orwellian society?" and "You know, Congress could ban God now, and
> there isn't anything you or I could do about it." It was a fun
> fight. For a while.
> 
> I plonked him when he got boring.
> 
> For the record, he's a major Debbie Gibson fan. I don't know why.
> 
> /Yes, he's a whacko/
> *But at least he's quiet*
> 
> * A good re-plonk -- December 19, 1995
> Falkner was still hanging around alt.censorship a while back,
> defending the various incarnations of the Exon bill, and of course
> making a fool of himself. With one of the responses...well, it's
> hard to pass up...
> 
> Additional information: Falkner tends to lie low a lot of the time,
> but occasionally shows up in alt.censorship, comp.org.eff.talk, and
> the like, where he battles the forces of good and loses badly. He's
> one of the easiest to ignore.
> 
> Robin King
> 
> rbking@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
> 
> Not much to say about this guy. I probably shouldn't have plonked
> him...
> 
> /I'll say/
> *Stupid, obnoxious guy*
> /And a _real_ major racist/
> 
> That's the problem. He's the local racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever.
> I got sick of it. He's gone.
> 
> /Haven't had to touch him for a while, actually/
> *Wonder what's up with him...*
> 
> Additional information: I don't have any links for Robin; he's too
> boring, and I haven't heard from him since he was plonked. I think
> he's still on pnet.talk.politics, though, if you look hard enough.
> 
> Supreme Overlord KAZ Vorpal
> 
> kaz@upx.net
> 
> /I still don't get this guy/
> *Neither do I.  Why'd he plonk him so fast?*
> 
> Guys, stay out of this one, right? You don't understand it, and it's
> for a good reason.
> 
> Anyway.
> 
> I met Kaz back on WWIVNet, when I was first getting into debating in
> the first place. At the time, I used the handle "Solonus", and
> debated with all the idiots on the whole network; I was pretty well
> known and respected. Also there, though, was Kaz, an obnoxious
> little man who was great at annoying everyone.
> 
> Especially me.
> 
> There was plenty that led up to it. The final straw came when he
> accused one of my friends, Leviathan, of lying. I disproved him
> outright, and asked for a retraction; he wouldn't give it. Then it
> was time to stop dealing with the jerk -- and so I did. By hand.
> 
> /What, no killfile?/
> *There are no killfiles on WWIV, you idiot!*
> /Oh.  Oh yeah...I knew that.../
> 
> When I left WWIVNet, I expected to leave the guy behind forever;
> somehow, that gave me a nice, fuzzy feeling, to never have him
> around to annoy me anymore. I stayed in email contact with Leviathan
> (or Bruce Toombs, as he's much happier to be known as otherwise),
> and happily forgot...
> 
> Then I saw that he was on Usenet.
> 
> I had a spat or two with him here. Then I plonked him. It was very,
> *very* satisfying, let me tell you.
> 
> /The joy of Killfiles, eh?/
> 
> Additional information: not too much. He apparently frequents the
> politics groups, and has been sighted on the recent Compuserve
> threads, but there's not much more than that.
> 
> Bob Allisat
> 
> ab330@torfree.net
> 
> Allisat is a kook right out of downtown Toronto. He's suck a kook
> that he's got a webpage all for his very own...
> 
> /And we both wish we could read it.../
> *Grumble*
> 
> Additional information: it's in the web page. There's not too much
> more to say -- other than that he managed to stay out of the
> Compuserve threads *and* the Grubor/Boursy anti-nanam wars, even
> when he was being cited. I was kindof impressed by that.
> 
> Rick "Woody" Sherwood
> 
> noodle@netcom.com
> 
> Woody is a Scientologist. Now, that in and of itself isn't a
> problem; people can be whatever they want, I don't care.
> 
> *Sure you don't...*
> 
> In any case, the problem with Woody is that he works for OSA -- the
> Scientology Secret Service of sorts. His goal: troll everyone into
> being stupid, so we don't actually put out any substance on
> alt.religion.scientology.
> 
> There's one way to make him fail: ignore him. And that's helped out
> immensely with the help of a killfile.
> 
> The group is quieter without him.
> 
> /Not too much, though/
> *Few hundred messages a day, a.r.s has*
> /And Woody's quieted down lately, too/
> *Besides, you don't read it anymore*
> 
> Woody goes down. Yay. -- July 13, 1995
> Even the Daemons get to be a little clumsy now and again... *grin*
> 
> Additional information: Woody is apparently still there, though I'm
> not. What a shame.
> 
> Joseph B. Dunphy
> 
> stats@mcs.com
> 
> Dunphy is one of the most annoying people I've ever met in my life
> -- and that's saying a lot.
> 
> /Even more so than Woody?/
> *Whoa.  He's annoyed*
> 
> Dunphy was cross-posting his drek to news.admin.net-abuse.misc a
> while back. It was just a little while after I had taken up
> complaining to people that did that, and I wasn't giving any
> mercy...
> 
> /He wasn't plonking anyone, either/
> *It was nice to not get anyone new*
> /It's a lot of work to do this job, ya know/
> *Especially with idiots like this one*
> 
> Anyway, he was the proud recipient of four of my form letters, as he
> had posted four separate off-topic rants to the group. He proceeded
> to accuse me of mailbombing him. Yeah. Of course, that wasn't _all_
> he did; he also *posted* that I'd mailbombed him to all of the
> original groups.
> 
> Grumble.
> 
> I replied, trimming followups, of course. He ignored that. And, for
> good measure, he flamed me randomly, added more newsgroups, reposted
> it to whole bunches of places, flamed a few other "harassers", wrote
> extra posts, and so forth. The content was dull, but it was pretty
> entertaining watching him separately post it all to about ten other
> unrelated groups...
> 
> I, having begun to laugh uncontrollably, nominated the bastard for
> Kook of the Month.
> 
> He, having seen that I was mocking him, posted a couple more
> messages, and proceeded to mailbomb me.
> 
> To make a long story short, there were threats of lawsuits,
> complaints to _my_ postmaster, threats to alias out uiuc.edu, and,
> finally, me plonking the idiot.
> 
> *Actually, he plonked _two_ people*
> /We let out Mike Dunphy for good behavior/
> *He apparently hadn't actually done anything except share the name*
> 
> This whole issue, of course, was something I decided to keep logs
> of. If you want to read 'em, try here, and enjoy.
> 
> * The end of the issue... -- October 17, 1995
> After a lot of abuse, it felt damned good to do this.
> 
> Additional information: this wasn't the end of this debacle, nuh-uh.
> Karl Denninger, his admin, is still upset with me -- and I with him.
> With this simmering in the background, it wasn't tough for a large
> thread about MCSNet's business practices to start up on
> news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and grow almost out of control...when
> Dunphy mailbombed someone *else* and still had no disciplinary
> actions taken against him. The result of this is that MCSNet may get
> aliased out of existance sometime soon. Which would be pretty cool.
> 
> John Grubor
> 
> zando@netcom.com, drg@manus.org, et al
> 
> John Grubor is the most annoying Usenet person I have ever met.
> Period.
> 
> *Remember who he's talking about, too*
> /This is the man who's argued with Falkner, Boursy, Allisat, Gibson, and
> many more.../
> 
> His purpose in life really _does_ seem to be to annoy. And, at a
> certain point, I grew tired of it.
> 
> Grubor first came to my attention on news.admin.censorship, where he
> argued that complaining to someone's postmaster was censorship.
> Yeah.
> 
> *Imagine his thoughts on throwing someone into a dungeon*
> 
> After a few memorable posts (the best of which was the "list of
> known homosexuals"...)
> 
> /Otherwise known as 'Who's Who on news.admin.*'/
> *There were a few others, actually*
> /But not that many/
> 
> ...I finally plonked the bastard for a month.
> 
> That took effort on its own.
> 
> *He kept on trying with desperate attempts to escape*
> /We had to keep on getting him back in here/
> *With better security every time*
> 
> When he came out, though...he was worse.
> 
> *Believe it...*
> /Or not/
> 
> After a few weeks of bugging him, making newsgroups, baiting him,
> getting threatened, and the like, I plonked him. And, to make things
> even more entertaining, I made the Global Killfile to keep track of
> Grubor's aliases.
> 
> *Don't worry, we're not left out*
> /It's mostly just a "Usenet's Most Wanted" list/
> 
> In any case, if you see him, just back away slowly...
> 
> * The first time... -- November 6, 1995
> Grubor deserved to be in forever the first time, but...
> 
> * He's baaack... -- December 7, 1995
> Oh, it was so much fun to torture the poor bastard...for a while...
> 
> * That's it. He's outta here! -- December 27, 1995
> I was more than sick of it all; he deserved it *really* majorly.
> 
> Additional information: Grubor still hangs around with Steve Boursy,
> waging a two-man war against the forces of good. More and more
> people are learning to ignore him, though. Apparently, he's been
> advocating lots of mailbombs lately, too; his accounts seem to be
> dwindling. It's a nice respite...
> 
> The Guest Cell
> 
> Before, we showed the people that are in there peremanently.
> 
> /There are plenty more that have been in there briefly/
> *Lot's more*
> /We just don't remember 'em all any more/
> *That's what this list is for -- attempted memory aids*
> 
> In any case, here's some people that have been plonked only briefly.
> If they're availible, I include dates, contributing posts, reasons,
> whatever. Unless otherwise stated, I don't remember how long they
> were in there.
> 
> Anand Sarwate
> 
> asarwate@uni.uiuc.edu
> 
> Anand was being a major jerk for a while; now we're pretty much
> friends, but at the time he got to be the first actual person in my
> killfile.
> 
> *I thought that was Mark*
> /No, he was second/
> *Then what was Mark?*
> /First permanent killfiled guy/
> *Ahh...*
> 
> In any case, I don't have the posts, I don't even remember the dates
> anymore, but there you have it.
> 
> Hannah Koenker
> 
> hanko@ysidro.econ.uiuc.edu
> 
> March 16, 1995
> 
> Hannah _should_ be killfiled now, really...
> 
> /What?  Why?  You don't even see her!/
> *He has a lot to get over on this issue...*
> /But we aren't meant to-/
> *Give it up, Kile*
> 
> I don't even remember, anymore, what it was that set me off. It was
> important, though. And I hated her for making me do it. She got out
> eventually, but I don't remember when or why -- and I don't care to
> remember.
> 
> Dave Hayes
> 
> dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov
> 
> Dave Hayes is an anti-censorship fiend...which is fine, except that
> he's also conspiracy minded. He works for NASA, which has infinite
> computer resources (literally), so he doesn't worry about how big
> Usenet is for the average user. As a result, he thinks that
> moderated groups, spam cancels, site aliasing, even closed NNTP
> ports are censorship.
> 
> *Funny reading, Hayes*
> 
> He's got a few allies here and there, but not many; his main
> important feature is that he can actually state his opinions
> relatively coherently. He's a good thing to have on Usenet...
> 
> *Don't worry, he plonked him for a reason*
> /Hayes tends towards philosophy stuff/
> *And if that turns towards wars, it gets annoying*
> 
> At one point, I got fed up with it all. He really _did_ deserve
> it...but he deserved to come out, too. I still occasionally talk
> with the guy -- or at least I did, before he dropped off the face of
> the earth.
> 
> /Nicer not to have him here, too/
> *No cries of censorship to bug us...*
> /I wonder where he went.../
> 
> Jenne Glish
> 
> jglish@macalstr.edu
> 
> July 2, 1995
> 
> Jenne...it's hard to explain how I feel about Jenne, really.
> 
> /No it's not/
> *He had a crush on her for 'bout a year*
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Actually, that's not altogether right, guys...
> 
> *But it's close enough*
> /Don't deny it/
> 
> Folks, these two may be right, but it's not conscious. There's a lot
> to this issue, more than I've ever been able to express, certainly
> more than I've ever told anyone about, and pretty much too much for
> me to actually figure out myself. I'm not going to get into it here,
> any more than I have to.
> 
> /Fine/
> *Fine*
> 
> In any case...just take the post I saved about it. It'll do more to
> explain it than anything else.
> 
> * The mind wobbles... -- July 2, 1995
> 
> She got out in about a week.
> 
> Mark Dunphy
> 
> dunphy@mcs.com
> 
> October 17, 1995
> 
> This guy went in, briefly, with Joseph Dunphy, in the mailbombing
> incident above. He didn't have anything to do with the case, I
> think; it was just safety at that point.
> 
> He got out within the day.
> 
> Keith Cochran, Mark Cochran, and James Keegan
> 
> janda@netcom.com, cochran@netcom.com, and jkeegan@netcom.com
> 
> These three were in here all at once during the Great Anti-Nyx war
> in 1995. They all crossposted it into news.admin.net-abuse.misc, I
> didn't want to deal with it. They're all out now.
> 
> Peter Zurich
> 
> pzurich@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu
> 
> October 23, 1995
> 
> In a new record, Peter got in my killfile after just two days of
> annoyance.
> 
> /Only for a while, though/
> *Enough to show that we're sick of him*
> /Yee-haa/
> 
> He got out after a little more than a week.
> 
> * A new record. -- October 23, 1995
> 
> Steve Winter
> 
> stevwint@netcom.com
> 
> November 21, 1995
> 
> Steve Winter is your normal, every-day religious nut. He was pretty
> annoying for a while, too. You see, Christnet.* was a bit sick of
> him, so they started cancelling his posts out of their hierarchy. He
> called censorship. Repeatedly. Loudly. And annoyingly.
> 
> We plonked him.
> 
> (Actually, it was only for a week, but that's alright.)
> 
> *And he bypassed us, too!*
> /Yeah, he went straight for the Global Killfile/
> *Cheap!  Cheap!*
> 
> (Actually, it was a joke; the Global Killfile currently only holds
> Grubor. Oh well.)
> 
> * Into the Global Killfile with ye! -- November 21, 1995
> 
> Peter "Bat" Stone
> 
> bat@cyberden.com
> 
> December 21, 1995
> 
> Bat was an obnoxious little guy that had figured out how to make his
> FirstClass system exist on the 'net...and he liked to post about it.
> A lot. He had a couple of his spams cancelled. And then he hung
> around to complain about it.
> 
> *And generally made a fool out of himself*
> /Kindof sad/
> 
> He really was pretty dumb, and it really _was_ kindof sad.
> 
> Ah, well. He's out now, after two weeks in there.
> 
> * The Daemons exaggerate... -- December 21, 1995
> 
> John Stanley
> 
> stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu
> 
> January 4, 1996
> 
> Stanley was the first catch of the new year.
> 
> /And what a catch he was!/
> 
> He was basically thrown in for the same reasons as Dave Hayes: he
> was just plain being obnoxious, and wouldn't actually _argue_. Ah,
> well.
> 
> * Staney's in for a few weeks... -- January 4, 1996
> 
> Vladimir Fomin
> 
> vfomin@panix.com
> 
> January 9, 1996
> 
> Fomin is one of a multitude of people in the epic struggle between
> Dimitri Vulis and Peter Vorobrieff -- the fight better known as
> "that hideous thing that appears on news.admin.net-abuse.misc every
> now and then and annoys us all."
> 
> *It's really bad*
> /Nobody has a clue what's going on/
> *Everyone's stories directly contradict*
> /Ugh/
> 
> Anyway, Fomin was the last one to stop by...and we discovered lots
> about him. Like that he was a major homophobe. And that he was
> forging things in Peter's name. And that he considered us all scum.
> And that he was checking up on us.
> 
> *But he didn't find out about us...*
> 
> Into the killfile he went after a very short time. He'll be out in a
> couple of weeks, probably, though he has potential to go back in...
> 
> * He gets his warning... -- January 9, 1996
> 
> Wilf
> 
> wilf@io.com
> 
> January 13, 1996
> 
> Except for his extraordinarily short email address, Wilf has few
> spiffy points.
> 
> /We do like the email address/
> 
> Wilf showed up on news.admin.net-abuse.misc a while back,
> complaining that we were all attacking the spammers wrongly, and how
> could we _do_ such things that we were doing?
> 
> *That's not precisely true*
> /Yes, he claims he was there a long time ago.../
> *As in 'back before it was news.admin.net-abuse.misc*
> /Of course, so were we.../
> 
> After a while, he got onto some pretty major tangents, mostly
> involving Boldt's blacklist of Usenet Spammers -- and then he
> started insulting our collective intelligences every few seconds
> when he posted.
> 
> After giving him plenty of warning...in he went. And good riddance.
> 
> Assuming he doesn't put out a spam in the mean time (which is our
> pet theory of why he's doing this), he'll be in there for two weeks.
> 
> * I'm sick of this... -- January 15, 1996
> 
> "The Right Reverend" Colin James III
> 
> cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com
> 
> January 20, 1996
> 
> I hadn't really payed any attention to the threads about this guy
> when they appeared on news.admin.net-abuse.misc; they were just too
> much of a pain, there was no point.
> 
> /Even we ignored him/
> *news.groups is more entertaining.  Even during the worse wars*
> 
> One sunny night in January, though, I saw a wonderful post. James
> had been nominated for Kook of the Month; now he was saying that, if
> he won, he would try to get everyone that voted for him fired.
> 
> *Now _that's_ kooky*
> 
> Convinced that nobody could be that stupid, I checked the post
> saying this, and compared it to old posts from James. It was a
> forgery -- and a damned good one.
> 
> /We caught it/
> *We catch everything*
> /But we don't tell.../
> 
> Upset at this prospect, I started the anti-forgery stuff going: I
> mailed James, his postmaster (when I got it bounced back, saying he
> didn't want mail), and the technical support at UUNet; I posted that
> it was a forgery, followed up on a few leads to who did it, and even
> warned people in the affected groups that it was fake.
> 
> James proceeded to say that _I_ forged it.
> 
> We'll see if he ever gets out.
> 
> * Yeah, right, I'd do it... -- January 20, 1996
> 
> Bill Palmer
> 
> wilhelp@netcom.com
> 
> January 24, 1996
> 
> Palmer's point of existance seemed to be loud, obnoxious, and
> annoying in as many groups as possible.
> 
> *Loud=long posts*
> /Really long/
> 
> After I tried to talk him out of it (and crosspost to
> alt.usenet.kooks, as his stuff wasn't on-topic for
> news.admin.net-abuse.misc), he got a little bit worse.
> 
> /Actually, it's the same as before/
> *The difference was that he was trying to flame him*
> /Failing pretty miserably, of course, but.../
> 
> Anyway, after a couple of exchanges, and the realization that he
> really was boring...
> 
> *And Palmer's calling him a dung beetle a few too many times*
> 
> ...he got thrown in for a couple of weeks.
> 
> * Oh, just go away... -- January 24, 1996
> 
> James Westbrook
> 
> nexus@students.uiuc.edu
> 
> January 30, 1996
> 
> Jim got thrown in here...for personal reasons, I guess.
> 
> /If you'd call veiled threats 'personal reasons'/
> *Guess what?  We wouldn't!*
> 
> Maybe I'll take him out eventually. I don't know yet. He's nuked for
> now.
> 
> * Short and sweet. -- January 30, 1996 And I guess that oughta do
> it.
> 
> /You can stay here if you want/
> *Just don't come back to the house...*
> 
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