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Started by z_harbergt
Mon, 10 Aug 1992 00:40
Re: VisualBASIC for DOS <none>
Author: z_harbergt
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 00:40
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 00:40
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In response to Mr. Cooper's diatribe on my "questions about VisualBASIC
and concerns about QuickBASIC", I will not allow myself to match his
virulent tone. Apparently, he is under some stress, of sufficient force
to make him lose his professional continence at the sight of constructive
criticism.
I am truly sorry for placing that "$" sign in the registered trademark,
and would not have done it if I could have foreseen the effect it had
on Mr. Cooper. Upon the sight of this common spelling (in cyberspace),
the one person I wanted to read my post didn't.
I do wish to point out the following weaknesses in Mr. Cooper's attack:
1) Mr. Cooper in his postings on alt.lang.basic, has never written a
disclaimer that his comments are personal.
2) PCWeek, a Ziff-Davis publication, did announce the Beta release of
a Visual Basic for DOS. They received this information from Microsoft.
Mr. Cooper could have simply stated the policy of his employer about
comments instead of his remark on my understanding the meaning of the
word "Beta."
3) The "$" sign inserted in place of the "s" in Microsoft is a common
spelling on many bulletin boards. Is it a "veiled insult"? I cannot
answer that question nor respond to Mr. Cooper's hysteria. I did not
use it in the manner he described. I always thought it was recognition
of the phenomenal success Microsoft had in the 1980's and to the
financial status of Microsoft's co-founder and CEO, William Gates.
4) How many Microsoft products have not been upgraded in four years?
I think my complaints are legitimate not "hostile".
5) I am an educator who has helped a lot of young people start programming.
When you look at the market for introductory programming languages, i.e.
affordable and transferable, the two major choices have been BASIC or
Pascal. I cannot even begin to understand Mr. Cooper's bizarre
paragraph beginning about "...a chip on your shoulder" and ending with
"My 5.0 liter Ford Mustang...." I will simply point out that the
long-running advertisement for QuickBASIC ("Zip.Bam.Boom.") includes
a Key Features comparison with QBasic, GW-BASIC _AND_ Turbo Pascal 6.0.
In conclusion, Mr. Cooper has committed a serious disservice to his
employer. I have been a loyal Microsoft customer for four years, being a
registered owner of QuickBASIC and Microsoft Works and having been
instrumental in the placement of these two products in many secondary
schools. Mr. Cooper's remarks were offensive and unprovoked, but I will
follow his advice and send my concerns about QuickBASIC and Mr. Cooper
to Microsoft.
Greg Harber InterNet: z_harbergt@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Stephen F. Austin State University "Heart of the Pine Smog"
Re: VisualBASIC for DOS <none>
Author: Phillip Cooper
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:54
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:54
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About Mr. Harper's reply to my "hysterical" posting. I don't have the time or interest to make a point-by-point reply to him, but I would like to make a couple of points. First, I received 6 private email messages supporting my position, while receiving none which supported his. A few are presented below (without attribution because they were not intended for public viewing). ------------------------------------------------------ Email Reply #1 ------------------------------------------------------ >Boy, have you got a chip on your shoulder or what!! Why the hostility? >you say that QB is great and you make no apologies to anyone about using >it. *** very on the money comments deleted *** This guy sure does have a _problem_ ... lack of consideration for others.. and a lot of _very_ misplaced frustration... I'm afraid it's very difficult for a person in this frame of mind to realize what their doing. ------------------------------------------------------- Email Reply #2 ------------------------------------------------------- This guy is really whining about something that he doesn't fully understand. ANY language is capable of producing good programs if the programmer isn't too lazy to learn it inside and out. ------------------------------------------------------- Email Reply #3 ------------------------------------------------------- Don't even dignify guys like that with a reply. If he can't ask courteously, he shouldn't get an answer! ------------------------------------------------------- Those who regularly read this group know that I do not insult people for no reason. I don't respond "hysterically". Feel free to send us a letter to let us know what future enhancements you would like to see in QuickBasic. You can even "tell" on me. Just be sure to include the email responses I have quoted above. If it slips your mind, don't worry, I'll do it for you. Here's the address: Microsoft Corporation One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052-6399 Attn: Product manager for QuickBasic 4.5 This is the last time I'll have anything to say in this group regarding Mr. Harper. I he (or anyone else) wants to continue this topic, let's take it to email. I can't help but assume that most of us have better things to do with our time. Have a nice day! Phil Cooper Oh yeah, the reason I have no disclaimer is twofold: 1) I never say things that I don't mean. 2) Most people can figure out that not every Microsoft employee who posts on Usenet is an official spokeman. (Least of all, me)
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