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Article #41Re: Lessons Learned: California's Opportunity to Achieve Improved Flood Control
From: sdef!
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:00
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:00
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Joe Buck wrote: > > smtp.syix.com writes: > >The article by "Friends of the River" entitled "California's Best > >Opportunity to Achieve Improved Flood Control While Restoring Wetlands & > >Wildlife Habitat" was disingenuous and misleading. When a follow up > >post by (a self proclaimed dam engineer) suggested dams too should be > >considered as one of many viable flood control alternatives, the > >environmental elitists came out of the woodwork to hurl personal > >attacks, junk science and anything else at this person in order to > >suppress the idea of yet another dam. > > Please look up the definition of "elitist". You seem to think it is just > a noise word, to be thrown in whenever you want. If you think that only > dam engineers may comment on the wisdom of dam building, then I'm afraid > that it is you who are an elitist. Well really the last person to ask about flood control is a dam builder. Flood control is what happens naturally in an undamaged ecosystem. Asking a dam builder for advice on your flood problems is like asking asking a London Taxi driver for advice on how to get to fleet street. The answer will be the same even if it's only a hundred yards away. Flood control is best achieved by forests. Sensible people used to live in flood plains because of the fertility brought down by the annual input of new fertility. Whole ecosystems wer built on it. In our stupidity, and to fullfill the growth needs of western style monocultural progress we 'helped' these people to become dependant on alien crops with lower nutritional value and no tolerance to waterlogging. We also destroyed the life systems upstream that tempered the flooding and made the water last longer, causing periods of drought. All this and more was achieved by pompous self-appointed experts who even now, after all the death and misery they have caused, show no humility and even have the temerity to propose yet more short-sighted 'solutions'. > >For more information on the connection between environmental elitist and > >junk science, go to http://www.junkscience.com. > > I've looked at that site. It is in itself junk science. Some of their > arguments would make a tobacco lobbyist proud. Yep, it's complete crap. Not arguing with Joe, just adding my twopenneth. Andy > -- Joe Buck http://www.synopsys.com/pubs/research/people/jbuck.html > > Help stamp out Internet spam: see http://www.vix.com/spam/ -- http://www.hrc.wmin.ac.uk/campaigns/ef/earthfirst.html South Downs EF!, Prior House 6, Tilbury Place, Brighton BN2 2GY, UK savage@easynet.co.uk
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-Thread: 1052ed,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gid1052ed,public X-Google-Thread: f9e58,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gidf9e58,public X-Google-Thread: 1078fc,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gid1078fc,public X-Google-Thread: 105030,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gid105030,public X-Google-Thread: fe1ad,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe1ad,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,f446012221833fb2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public X-Google-Thread: 10df74,9019729c0c775325 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public From: "sdef!" <savage@easynet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Lessons Learned: California's Opportunity to Achieve Improved Flood Control Date: 1997/03/13 Message-ID: <3327479A.6441@easynet.co.uk> X-Deja-AN: 225062867 References: <332643E6.3205@syix.com> <5g79gu$po@hermes.synopsys.com> Organization: earth first! X-easynet-cherry: 85821338524309.nnrp Reply-To: savage@easynet.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.org.audubon,alt.org.sierra-club,ca.general,ca.news,ca.environment,sci.geo.hydrology,sci.geo.rivers+lakes,sci.environment,sci.engr.civil,ca.water