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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:30 GMT, John Garrison <jeg@visi.net> wrote:

>the companies who are too cowardly to stand up to Bill Gates.
>
The classic example of  M$ threating PC makers is the Navigator/ IE
problem.  This is the single largest reason why M$ is facing DoJ
investigation.  

When Compaq (M$ largest customer) wanted to remove the MSN icon and
install Netscape.  M$ issued a formal letter threating stop supplying
Compaq with *ANY* M$ product.

This would have destroyed Compaq instantly.     

>But I am not to cowardly to stand up to Bill Gates.  He might be the
>master of the dollar, but I am the master of the mind game.  

M$ has *LESS THAN %5* marketshare of the total software market, yet
the market capitisation is greater that *ALL* the other listed
software companies combined.   When M$ is broken-up (3-5yrs) it will
destroy $US 150 -200 Billion.  Even with a reduction in value of that
size it still will be a $100 Billion company!!!
 

 
Richard Hayes
Nada Marketing 113-115 Oxford St Darlinghust Australia 2010

Open Source Business Solutions

Phone: 02 9360 5555 Fax: 02 9361 0094

Email: remove _ nada_@nada.com.au Web: http://www.nada.com.au   

Although this is a noble pursuit, I think concentrating on support for
devices such as scanners, digital cameras and the like will prove more
useful in the eventual Linux revolution.

Due to the lack of this support, people like me are unable to completely
switch over to Linux and are left forced into either WinTel or Mac (yuck!)
machines.

Just my $.02 worth...

john (a.k.a. yahya)

http://abacus2000.com

John Garrison wrote in message <362F06B8.53EED373@visi.net>...
>I am writing this because it is about time that we as Linux users made a
>
>stand for our right to equal computing.  One of the reasons I switched
>to Linux was after reading a remark from a Microsoft spokesperson that
>said any small business competing with Microsoft had better plan on
>going out of business or selling out to them.  This was a real remark,
>not some fictitious accusation. I am a small businessman, but while most
>
>people see that as a threat, I see it as a challenge.  And as I look
>through the various new articles on the Microsoft trial, I see things
>like computer manufacturers saying that they can't sell me a Linux
>computer because they have a contract with Microsoft.  Ya know, call me
>crazy, but I thought that companies were supposed to serve the
>consumers.  I guess somebody forgot to tell Packard Bell and the rest of
>
>the companies who are too cowardly to stand up to Bill Gates.
>
>But I am not to cowardly to stand up to Bill Gates.  He might be the
>master of the dollar, but I am the master of the mind game.  And the
>harder he fights to rob Small Businesses, the American People, and the
>Peoples of the rest of the world of thier right to choose, the harder
>I'm going to fight to give that right back to them.  With your help I
>plan to start a revolution, the likes of which not even Bill Gates 60
>some billion dollars can destroy!  Onto the software community I plan to
>
>release the wrath of the GNU generation, and instead of cowering before
>those who seek to destroy me,  I will seek to destroy them.  Now, I'm
>not targeting Microsoft, If they leave me alone and let me advertise
>Linux the way I plan to, then I'll leave them alone, but I am saying
>that I am not afraid to return fire and I cannot be bribed.
>
>Now is where you come in.  Don't stop reading now, I'm not going to ask
>for money,  but it is no secret that marketing campaigns cost lots of
>money.  More money than I small business such as myself can afford.  But
>
>I have developed a plan.  In the Linux community there are many games
>being developed as internet projects.  So I put together a little group
>that I call the "Flock" to represent a flock of penguins.  I know it's
>corny so just stop laughing and finish reading please. hehe.  Anyhow If
>we as a community can coordinate the production of many games,  games
>that we could sell, and use the money to advertise with. (not all the
>money,  I can't expect anyone to work for free) Then we can kill two
>birds with one stone.  First we can fill the great need Linux has for
>commercial games, both by creating our own and by showing other software
>
>companies that there is money to be made in Linux.  Secondly, imagine an
>
>ad in a computer game magazine.  A nice full page add with a great game
>and the famous "cool it works with linux" logo.  But some of the ad
>isn't advertising the commercial game,  it is advertising a freeware
>game, a high quality Linux freeware game, not some crappy windows
>freeware game.  This will show people that Linux has great commercial
>apps, but also has equally as great freeware apps.  Now I know what you
>are thinking.  The users are just going to say "I don't have Linux" and
>that is going to be that, right?  Wrong.  because on every ad, we will
>offer them the opportunity to receive the Linux CD for only the $2.99 of
>
>shipping costs.  The screen shots from the games will prove that just
>because it (Linux) is free doesn't mean it is crappy. (and just because
>it costs $90 for the upgrade doesn't mean it's good)
>
>
>On the web site I still have the payment method to be an equal
>percentage of the profits to all developers, but realized that with 15
>or so developers we would have to sell a whole lot of copies just to get
>
>an ad in a good magazine.  So,  what I would like to do, if it is O.K.
>with the community at large is give the company 50% for marketing and
>divide the other 50% amongst developers.  This is still a fair deal I
>think, and if we create the next Doom, you could get a pretty good chunk
>
>of change.  The type of developers we will need are:  Designers,
>Coordinators, Graphic and Sound Artists and of course Programmers.
>Anybody can start a new project and ask for help with it.  And we will
>market it and you will get paid and it will be cool:-)
>
>For more info check out http://www.gdos.com and click on the Flock link
>at the bottom, or go straight to http://www.gdos.com/flock.html I
>sincerely hope that you will support me in this endeavor as I am trying
>to help the Linux community and indeed the computing community as a
>whole by once and for all taking control of computing away from the big
>companies and giving it back to the people.  Many of you would consider,
>
>have already, or are currently working on freeware projects anyhow, and
>you might as well get paid a little something for your time.  Also any
>projects that are already being worked on are welcome to become part of
>the Flock's product line.  Just email me from the web page and tell me
>about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yahya (a.k.a. John) (abacus2k@earthlinx.net) wrote:
: Although this is a noble pursuit, I think concentrating on support for
: devices such as scanners, digital cameras and the like will prove more
: useful in the eventual Linux revolution.
I agree with this whole heartedly.

: Due to the lack of this support, people like me are unable to completely
: switch over to Linux and are left forced into either WinTel or Mac (yuck!)
: machines.
I must object to your "yuck" comment about Mac's.  Comparing Mac against WinTel
they crap all over that WinTel junk!  The Mac at least has people who can
think creatively behind it all!

C
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  _--_|\   Christopher McAvaney          e-mail: chrismc@deakin.edu.au
 /      \  BSc (hons) - Computer Science         c.mcavaney@computer.org
 \_.--.*/  Deakin University                     c.mcavaney@<ieee|acm>.org
       v   Geelong, Victoria, Australia  http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~chrismc

I have just been informed that the forms on my page were not working right,

so if you filled you out I didn't get it.  The problem has been fixed I
think, I would really appreciate any of the 160 visitors who have visited
in the past day to come back and resubmit your forms.  the URL is at
http://www.gdos.com/flock.html  Thanks!

In <70q7pq$jkn$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Yahya (a.k.a. John)" <abacus2k@earthlinx.net> writes:

>Although this is a noble pursuit, I think concentrating on support for
>devices such as scanners, digital cameras and the like will prove more
>useful in the eventual Linux revolution.

See the S.A.N.E. project for scanner support.

Linux supports my digital camera (Kodak DC20), although I don't have the
source for the program which converts the image output from proprietary
format (CMT) to open (TGA).

Nick.
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In article <70r04n$fep$1@miranda.its.deakin.edu.au> chrismc@deakin.edu.au (Christopher McAvaney) writes:


   : Due to the lack of this support, people like me are unable to completely
   : switch over to Linux and are left forced into either WinTel or Mac (yuck!)
   : machines.

   I must object to your "yuck" comment about Mac's.  Comparing Mac against
   WinTel they crap all over that WinTel junk!  The Mac at least has people 
   who can think creatively behind it all!

Unfortunately, they post advocacy in newsgroups that are NOT advocacy
groups.

<gratuitous flaming=on>

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     _--_|\   Christopher McAvaney          e-mail: chrismc@deakin.edu.au
    /      \  BSc (hons) - Computer Science         c.mcavaney@computer.org

A CS honours student who likes Macintoshes?! There had to be one.
</gratuitous flaming=on>

Oba.c.l: Have installed debian 2.0 on my firewall box (now safely
reverted to openBSD) - very impressed by the ease of the install. Very
impressed.

Saundo
-- 
Chris "Saundo" Saunderson
Unix Guy				saundo@idx.com.au
Powered by Linux and the Orb.           "Free the TSX 11" 
                                         (P.Tomblin in asr)

Nick Andrew wrote:
> >Although this is a noble pursuit, I think concentrating on support for
> >devices such as scanners, digital cameras and the like will prove more
> >useful in the eventual Linux revolution.

> See the S.A.N.E. project for scanner support.

> Linux supports my digital camera (Kodak DC20), although I don't have the
> source for the program which converts the image output from proprietary
> format (CMT) to open (TGA).

Linux also supports my (borrowed) digital camera, an ePhoto307, using
the PhotoPC program (and I'm writing a little TCL/Tk frontend for it)
but unfortunately the camera sucks. I only get non-blurry JPEGs out of
it on every second Thursday, if I hold my tongue the right way.

-- 
"At Fluke we spend about five times as much per Microsoft seat as for
Unix seat
 in support costs. ... While I don't ever use NT, I see notices at least
once a
 week warning of system down time. Our Unix systems and our bootleg
Linux systems
 rarely go down - running for months without a single glitch." -- Steven
Swift

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:36:26 -0500, "Yahya (a.k.a. John)"
<abacus2k@earthlinx.net> wrote:

>Although this is a noble pursuit, I think concentrating on support for
>devices such as scanners, digital cameras and the like will prove more
>useful in the eventual Linux revolution.
>
>Due to the lack of this support, people like me are unable to completely
>switch over to Linux and are left forced into either WinTel or Mac (yuck!)
>machines.
>
>Just my $.02 worth...
>
>john (a.k.a. yahya)
>

I have to agree and disagree John, true there is much needed support
in various hardware area's, but a good commercial apps especially
games foundation under Linux can help bring that about even faster.

One of the biggest driving forces of the computer industry overall has
been games, they sell far more than office applications and they push
computers alot more than office apps do also.

A really hot game like quake in it's day could bring a vast number of
gamers almost instantly to Linux, in doing so alot of hardware
manufactures will also see instant pressure from the marketplace to
either supply Linux drivers for their devices themselves, or at least
open up the specifications and information needed for the Linux
community to create those drivers themselves.

If you watch most of the new hardware ad's for computers you find
ton's of things like 3D accerlerated, OpenGL support, screaming speed
etc etc. Even the hardware market is still aimed at the gamers (I've
yet to see the wordprocesser that needs 3DNow and OpenGL support) and
where they go the rest of the market will soon follow.

John Garrison wrote:
> 
> I am writing this because it is about time that we as Linux users made a
> 
> stand for our right to equal computing.  One of the reasons I switched
> to Linux was after reading a remark from a Microsoft spokesperson that
> said any small business competing with Microsoft had better plan on
> going out of business or selling out to them.  This was a real remark,
> not some fictitious accusation. I am a small businessman, but while most
>

Can you give me the source of this quote? The DOJ would love it. Though
the spokesperson may lose his/her job!

Have a look at this article on why Linux may never be or should be an OS
for the masses. I don't agree with everything it says but it makes
important points.

http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~tburgess/local/linux.html

James.