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A lot of people in Israel have been using Linux for a long
time.  Search Google under "hebrew editor linux" and you'll
find a bunch of stuff that supports Hebrew, both specialized
tools and left-handed versions of vi, emacs, Netscape ... 
The Qt toolkit underlying KDE now supports right-to-left
text, so that KDE applications will be able to support it.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 04:37:47 GMT
Astrid Flatto <flatto@shoalhaven.net.au> wrote:

> OK, the story (history) is nothing unusual.
> DOS practice since 2.11, upgrading to 3.3, 3.3a, 4,
5(phui!) win3.11
> and then Win95.
> Countless hours spent on learning and fighting this
enviroment.
> And then came Linux, after trying few variations I settled
on Slackware
> and progressed from 3.x, 4, 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0.
> One, for me major obstackle, my first language is Hebrew
and I simple
> could not configure Linux to "speak" Holy Language.
> This means a comfortable word processor (OK, I would
settle for editor)
> that could do it.
> So the constant dual booting into MS-Windows (Hebrew
enabled) as writing
> tool.
> Few days ago a friend, whom I convinced to install Linux,
appeared 
> holding a shining CD.
> Win2000 Pro.
> We installed it. Created users, Linux style, and I asked
"my own" user
> to be able to use Hebrew. It DOES!
> 
> NOW WHAT??????
> 
> I like Linux, but as computer is a tool for me, not just
toy, I am
> on a fork and cannot decide which way.
> 
> Now, before answering take notice that I am not prising
the product
> only the way it's manufacturers included comfort of use
for certain
> public (this includes large part of humanity, Hebrew and
Arabic
> require the same basic behaviour only use different
fonts).
> 
> A penny for your thoughts.
> 
> Stanislaw.
> Slack user from Ulladulla.

In article <3CC24507.8CEB178E@shoalhaven.net.au>, Astrid Flatto wrote:
[winXP includes support for Hebrew]
> Now, before answering take notice that I am not prising the product
> only the way it's manufacturers included comfort of use for certain
> public (this includes large part of humanity, Hebrew and Arabic
> require the same basic behaviour only use different fonts).

I'm glad you've found something which meets your needs. You can't ignore
something like that. But, think of how free software works. When there's
a need, someone works to fill the need, and everyone gets to share. More
volunteers pitch in help, and eventually the product surpasses anything
the proprietary software vendors can offer.

Translation is a task in which non-programmers can contribute. I realise
that your English is not real good, but it's probably good enough that
you could work on some translations.

My suggestion is that you use what best meets your needs, but devote
some of your free time to the free software cause.

I'd also be VERY CAREFUL with that MS software. It may have back doors
and "phone-home" features. They're slow at fixing known security
problems. I would only run an MS OS behind a good solid firewall. You
could throw together an old 386 or 486 with Linux for a job like that.

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Astrid Flatto wrote:
> OK, the story (history) is nothing unusual.
> DOS practice since 2.11, upgrading to 3.3, 3.3a, 4, 5(phui!) win3.11
> and then Win95.
> Countless hours spent on learning and fighting this enviroment.
> And then came Linux, after trying few variations I settled on Slackware
> and progressed from 3.x, 4, 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0.
> One, for me major obstackle, my first language is Hebrew and I simple
> could not configure Linux to "speak" Holy Language.

KDE includes hebrew support. i saw a screenshot of KDE3 somewhere
with KDE in hebrew, with a KMail compose window where someone was
writing an e-mail in hebrew. so before you go back to windows, i'd say
try that first.

i also hear emacs should support hebrew.

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http://baserv.uci.kun.nl/~jkremers	Kun je dansen op de maan

Sorry fellas!
First of all many thanks to all that did not use a flamethrower
in this kind of thread!
Second, people pointed me in certain direction which as user of
486/24M RAM was "taboo" for me.
Will try on newer hardware so maybe KDE will come to the rescue.

Thanks again and see you on group.

Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla. (It is in Australia 250k south of Sydney)

Astrid Flatto wrote:
> 
> OK, the story (history) is nothing unusual.
> DOS practice since 2.11, upgrading to 3.3, 3.3a, 4, 5(phui!) win3.11
> and then Win95.
> Countless hours spent on learning and fighting this enviroment.
> And then came Linux, after trying few variations I settled on Slackware
> and progressed from 3.x, 4, 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0.
> One, for me major obstackle, my first language is Hebrew and I simple
> could not configure Linux to "speak" Holy Language.
> This means a comfortable word processor (OK, I would settle for editor)
> that could do it.
> So the constant dual booting into MS-Windows (Hebrew enabled) as writing
> tool.
> Few days ago a friend, whom I convinced to install Linux, appeared
> holding a shining CD.
> Win2000 Pro.
> We installed it. Created users, Linux style, and I asked "my own" user
> to be able to use Hebrew. It DOES!
> 
> NOW WHAT??????
> 
> I like Linux, but as computer is a tool for me, not just toy, I am
> on a fork and cannot decide which way.
> 
> Now, before answering take notice that I am not prising the product
> only the way it's manufacturers included comfort of use for certain
> public (this includes large part of humanity, Hebrew and Arabic
> require the same basic behaviour only use different fonts).
> 
> A penny for your thoughts.
> 
> Stanislaw.
> Slack user from Ulladulla.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:35:57 -0400, Astrid Flatto wrote:

> First of all many thanks to all that did not use a flamethrower in this
> kind of thread!

you made an honest plea, (although it is off topic) and it wasn't "I can't
use my scanner" or run ${newest_game}, that's probably why. Or maybe
+Chiron+ isn't awake yet ;)

> Second, people pointed me in certain direction which as user of 486/24M
> RAM was "taboo" for me.

hehe yeah probably! 

have you ever looked at this document btw? 

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hebrew-HOWTO.html 

it's from 1995 so I'm sure the hardware config back hten was closer to what
you have and it has console instructions for hebrew which is more appropriate
for a 486 anyway.

> Will try on newer hardware so maybe KDE will come to the rescue. 

or use better hardware, yes ;-)

-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.
One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.
The other to total extinction. - "My Speech to the Graduates" - Woody Allen

In article <3CC298F9.147DA884@shoalhaven.net.au>, Astrid Flatto wrote:
> First of all many thanks to all that did not use a flamethrower
> in this kind of thread!

On further examination it might have been reasonable to do so ...

> Second, people pointed me in certain direction which as user of
> 486/24M RAM was "taboo" for me.
> Will try on newer hardware so maybe KDE will come to the rescue.
> [snip, down to this from the original post]
>> Few days ago a friend, whom I convinced to install Linux, appeared
>> holding a shining CD.
>> Win2000 Pro.
>> We installed it. Created users, Linux style, and I asked "my own" user
>> to be able to use Hebrew. It DOES!

How can you possibly be running Win2K Pro on a 486? I don't know the
minimum CPU, but I think the minimum RAM is 64MB or more. I know that
you're below the minimum for WinME. Personally I wouldn't even want to
mess with WinNT4 on a 486. (Not that I would on any other machine, for
that matter ;) -- the point is, it will be unbearably slow.)

MS is *only* for people who buy and use newer machines. I can't believe
you are seriously considering a MS "solution" on a machine like that.
Absurd.

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