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6 total messages Started by David McNerney Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:17
A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1615
Author: David McNerney
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:17
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My apologies for posting a question that's been seen in both these
groups before, but the messages I've found in searches haven't helped
me solve my problem, so I thought I'd try asking again.

I've installed the English language edition of Windows XP Pro on a
laptop that has a Japanese keyboard (an IBM X30 purchased in Tokyo). I
installed all the relevant drivers available on the IBM website.

The problem is: even if I choose a Japanese keyboard for my input
language(s) in the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, XP
still uses the US layout both in US English and Japanese input
lanaguages (IME direct mode). So when I hit the colon key on the
Japanese keyboard, I get a single quote, and in the Japanese input
language mode the special keys for typing Japanese don't work.

One post said to go to the keyboard control panel and change the
driver to a 106 or 109 key Japanese keyboard. Sounds great, but there
are two issues:

1. I can't figure out how to do that. I don't see any option for
changing the driver. Various attempts to uninstall and reinstall, or
upgrade the driver haven't done anything. I checked on the IBM and
Microsoft websites and couldn't find any such Japanese keyboard
drivers.

2. In the Japanese XP Pro that came preinstalled on the laptop, an
English 101 key keyboard driver is actually the only one installed,
and yet the Japanese keyboard is correctly mapped for both my US
English and Japanese input languages. The only difference between the
two is that when I click "driver details" in the preinstalled Japanese
OS, the keyboard driver shows two additional files that aren't present
in the English install: kbd101.dll and kbdjapan.dll. I have no idea
how to make my English setup the same as the Japanese preinstalled
one.

Any help that anyone could offer on this would be very much
appreciated!

thanks

Dave
Re: A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1616
Author: mr.sumo sr.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:37
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"David McNerney" <davberk99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a2eef0c.0303240717.29d509a8@posting.google.com...
> My apologies for posting a question that's been seen in both these
snip..

OK. Ready?

Right Click 'My Computer'
Properties
Hardware
Device Manager
Expand 'Keyboards'
Double Click existing keyboard
Driver tab
Update Driver
Check the 'Install from a list or specific location (Advanced)
Next
Check 'Don't Search. I will choose the driver to install'
Next
Uncheck 'Show compatible hardware'
You'll now have two lists side by side.
Select the 'Standard Keyboards' from the box on the left.
In the box on the right scroll (probably up) to 'Japanese PS/2 Keyboard
(106/109 Key)'
follow the rest of the instructions

All of the above assumes that you installed 'Install files for East Asian
Languages' either on initial WinXP install or under the 'Regional and
Language Options' in the Control Panel.

I recommend deleting the US keyboard settings - they only get in the way.

This works for me every time. (hope I haven't made any mistakes above)

jonathan
Re: A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1617
Author: Simple Simon
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:41
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Just a suggestion...  Instead of going into C.P. and possibly messing up
things, get a compatible i.e. English keyboard.  May save real headaches if
you can get one in your location (I assume you are in Japan.).

Simon

"David McNerney" <davberk99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a2eef0c.0303240717.29d509a8@posting.google.com...
> My apologies for posting a question that's been seen in both these
> groups before, but the messages I've found in searches haven't helped
> me solve my problem, so I thought I'd try asking again.
>
> I've installed the English language edition of Windows XP Pro on a
> laptop that has a Japanese keyboard (an IBM X30 purchased in Tokyo). I
> installed all the relevant drivers available on the IBM website.
>
> The problem is: even if I choose a Japanese keyboard for my input
> language(s) in the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, XP
> still uses the US layout both in US English and Japanese input
> lanaguages (IME direct mode). So when I hit the colon key on the
> Japanese keyboard, I get a single quote, and in the Japanese input
> language mode the special keys for typing Japanese don't work.
>
> One post said to go to the keyboard control panel and change the
> driver to a 106 or 109 key Japanese keyboard. Sounds great, but there
> are two issues:
>
> 1. I can't figure out how to do that. I don't see any option for
> changing the driver. Various attempts to uninstall and reinstall, or
> upgrade the driver haven't done anything. I checked on the IBM and
> Microsoft websites and couldn't find any such Japanese keyboard
> drivers.
>
> 2. In the Japanese XP Pro that came preinstalled on the laptop, an
> English 101 key keyboard driver is actually the only one installed,
> and yet the Japanese keyboard is correctly mapped for both my US
> English and Japanese input languages. The only difference between the
> two is that when I click "driver details" in the preinstalled Japanese
> OS, the keyboard driver shows two additional files that aren't present
> in the English install: kbd101.dll and kbdjapan.dll. I have no idea
> how to make my English setup the same as the Japanese preinstalled
> one.
>
> Any help that anyone could offer on this would be very much
> appreciated!
>
> thanks
>
> Dave
Re: A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1613
Author: Ken Masuyama
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:04
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David McNerney wrote:
> The problem is: even if I choose a Japanese keyboard for my input
> language(s) in the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, XP
> still uses the US layout both in US English and Japanese input
> lanaguages (IME direct mode). So when I hit the colon key on the
> Japanese keyboard, I get a single quote, and in the Japanese input
> language mode the special keys for typing Japanese don't work.

Not sure about XP, but there is a bug in Win2k that the system
chooses a wrong driver.  I manually fixed the problem by

1. make sure you have kbdjpn.dll and kbd106.dll installed under
    windows system32 directory.
2. run regedit.exe.
3. open 
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters".

Change the values like this:
   LayerDriver JPN=KBD106.DLL
   OverrideKeyboardType=7
   OverrideKeyboardSubtype=2
   OverrideKeyboardIdentifier=PCAT_106KEY

It worked for me.  I HATE GUI SETUP!

Ken Masuyama  ez3k-msym@asahi-net.or.jp
Re: A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1614
Author: David McNerney
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:48
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Thank you sir, you have restored my faith in Usenet. Worked like a
charm. And I learned something about Windows into the bargain.

Dave
Re: A Japanese keyboard with English Windows XP
#1612
Author: mr.sumo sr.
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:05
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"David McNerney" <davberk99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a2eef0c.0303250148.70c7a1d6@posting.google.com...
> Thank you sir, you have restored my faith in Usenet. Worked like a
> charm. And I learned something about Windows into the bargain.
>

You're very welcome.  Most of these fixes work most of the time, but I must
give Microsoft a little bit of credit (am I crazy?) for finally releasing a
home-user OS that doesn't crap in its pants when you connect a 'Japanese'
peripheral.  Scanners are still a little touchy - getting rid of redundant
Japanese TWAIN drivers is a bit of a headache - fortunately EPSON (my
preferred printer/scanner combo) seem happy to release the same model
scanners worldwide (just with different names) so it's just a matter of
shooting over to Epson USA or UK and downloading the corresponding English
drivers.

XP may well be a memory/space/resource hungry beast but when you can locally
pick up 512k RAM for 4000yen, 120gig hard disks for 12000 yen it's easy and
cost effective to keep your machine pumped and primed.  Selling your old
hardware on Yahoo Auctions Japan is also a piece of cake.

jonathan
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