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	finely a good student of Mises

	hej lab, it your turn now ;-)


On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:56:11 +0000, dfte wrote:

> Two things I am sure about horse racing and stocks are a set up
> I will tell you why. Fixed? Maybe. Except for certain times when stocks tank 
> drastically ( you might want to buy mine now) most times stocks are a set up 
> to take your money. Stocks used to be great investments, hold for the long 
> haul, they go up and down and often to 0 or close because they can! Stocks 
> go down fast now because thats the best way to get your money the fastest! 
> .now Money market guys and insiders and shorts and hedge funds trade against 
> you often with information they get and you don't and who is going to prove 
> it? The only cases that go to court is so obvious, the rest get to make 
> money off your bets or investments.Ps its suicidal to be a day traders, 
> simply because no matter how good the stock market makers can know your 
> history and hold the stock back which is why they lose 90 percent of time. 
> But even worse just investing in stocks can almost assure losses and be a 
> set up.
> 
> This is way shorter then my other posts
>> Stocks in my
>>> estimation are set up for insiders and hedge funds and shorts to gain
>>> over and over on your investments. They have thousands of reasons why, 
>>> restated earnings, mistakes in audit, inflation, deflation jobs going to 
>>> fast, jobs lost too fast.. You name it when your money shows up they will 
>>> come out with why the stock went opposite yours. You know how many times 
>>> my stocks went
>>> down over 70 percent? Most! Yep it was just me , not! I  did great on
>>> paper till my investment went in . They all do great till your big money
>>> shows up. I had a dsl stock go bankrupt, I had a Global Crossing, I had
>>> internet stock, that went to 100 that tanked, I had a advertising company
>>> that went fro 100 to 10 (tfsm) ! Seriously, Five times I lost over
>>> thousands of dollars.. This is not an accident You know
>>> whats was the changing conditions that often stock holders read about
>>> when
>>> their money shows up in stocks and lose? YOUR MONEY SHOWING UP is the
>>> changing
>>> condition . Shorts and brokerages and company officals can have all sorts
>>> of reasons why
>>> the stocks tanked before even the information came out  and they get away
>>> with  trading over and over with this information against your
>>> investment before you  yet nothing is done. !!!!!!You always see
>>> brokerage quotes about why the stock did bad at the same time the stock
>>> tanked or went opposite your position.Stocks are often set up to attract
>>> your
>>> money so someone else can bet against it..Shorts and insiders often sell
>>> or at least tell  brokerages and hedge funds
>> on information
>> they attained before anyone else
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> People write me all the time agreeing with me or saying I am nuts
>>> In so many ways we are screwing ourselves and just not doing the right
>>> things. We set up an economy with expectation of crime and giant defecits
>>> and people exposed to pollution harm and more censureship and fear of
>>> violence, and Big business with rules like giant late fees, protection
>>> service fees I never ordered, telling you they will give you money to
>>> switch
>>> to a broker then gives you a horrible price when you make a market trade,
>>> people need to talk to automated phones to answer wrong charges from cell
>>> phone companies . I provided the links to pollution damages ( although
>>> your
>>> lucky in Chicago not to worrry about that. I am part of the population
>>> who
>>> see dysfunction and not many people doing much to stem it.Social workers
>>> not
>>> caring. people not counted, welfare lines,
>>> I fear for people who will need help in the future as they retire.
>>> The world is messed up and  I am not saying its better around the world
>>> in
>>> most places but we are heading in the direction of control at the expense
>>> of
>>> better values. Kids coming to schools which need bomb and gun detectors,
>>> rising vandalism and hate, our country in debt to the teeth... One
>>> wonders
>>> why we just didn't do the right things to start.
>>>
>>> Stocks use to go up for the long haul now they go up and down , allot of
>>> times based on how much you invest, or the more you invest , that is
>>> often
>>> if not always played against. or at least have market makers allowed to
>>> take it opposite your big positons.. . when your money shows up-thats the
>>> changing
>>> conditions brokers talk about for REAL that caused the stock to go
>>> opposite
>>> way.. Things usually happen after your money shows up.. Thats the reason
>>> the ceo and insiders sell before the public knows why like in my present
>>> disaster.  They said the earnings from previous quarter had to be
>>> resubmitted and some control issue causes less earning. Always something
>>> comes up to go opposite your position. Of course the lower the price of
>>> the stock the more likely this might happen but I suppose that should not
>>> then make investing in the more expensive stocks a better option. If they
>>> set you up for small stocks they will do it to high rollers even more..
>>> They have their own churning mill ready to tell you why your stock
>>> went opposite your position, quotes ready for the vulnerable. Don't ever
>>> put
>>> day trade or put in a stop order, they can hold the stock up  ( if your
>>> short) or down till you sell , because they know your trading history.
>>> The
>>> stocks that go up the most are written about after they went up and you
>>> and
>>> uncle were not in them. They all just missed your radar . When you do get
>>> in
>>> chances are the stock will take a dead stop.  Street coms say get in
>>> before
>>> market finds out about it, why should market discovering it stop making
>>> it
>>> to go up? lol  Market manipulation like this is almost assured, Your
>>> money
>>> is played against., The fix to take your money is ongoing, just another
>>> reality people who lost can tell you about if yoru willing to listen.  We
>>> really need automated stock trades, but like everything else we
>>> rather see people lose to insiders and market makers again
>>> Whats the saying about people who make the same mistakes over and over
>>> again? PS you know when the stocks go down the most , when your invested
>>> and they go up the most when you get out, over and over again, then they
>>> can say see the stock is up! Or if you go short, it will go up
>> On a similar note, NEVER EVER put up allot of money on a horse race. Why?
>> I
>> use to watch the $100 windows before they became universal and you can bet
>> anything on any window.
>> Its the same exact for horse racing. The owner doesn't know much, its how
>> much is bet on the horse that often influences its chance on winning The
>> more you bet  or your money showing up with other bettors ,the less chance
>> especially if the odds don't go down with your big bets. I have seen over
>> and over horse bets lose and the horses who were bet down but I didnt see
>> anyone at the track bet .. win.. seriously.  If the odds don't reflect on
>> exact amount wagers like if you bet $3000 on a horse and it didn't go very
>> low odds, I bet everything I own you are going to lose. The moral of the
>> stories is many things are fixed against you. Stay sane and try to do the
>> best things to be good to people anyway I hope and pray people don't lose
>> their hard earned dollars in the stock market.The people who make these
>> temporary
>> roadblocks are very good at what they do, and think they will get away
>> with
>> cheating people. You have an opportunity of putting your money away for
>> savings somewhere else where you can't get manipulation legally to take
>> it.
>> This is the sad state of affairs in America including set up for asthma
>> based on pollution and dependence on big oil ,but is not talked about.and
>> only the rich get elected to
>> public office and more rules for big business to take you if your not
>> aware.
>> charges that are on your credit card and cell phone bills and are built in
>> ,
>> that no matter what you do big business will find a way to charge you
>> false
>> charges and get away with it a certain percentage of times.Thats why they
>> do it. They got rules allowed to charge you more interest rates or late
>> fees then the actual balance multiplied over and over. How long do you
>> want to talk to automated phone systems that seldom recognize what you
>> said.How many bills and papers do you need to save yourself from big
>> business corruption and overcharging from interest rates? The stock market
>> is the same way, legally allowed to rape you. If it didn't happen yet,
>> better make plans soon.
>>>
>>> Please save someone the heartache from losses that often generate from
>>> stock trading that go to insiders or hedge funds before regular traders
>>> have a chance.
>>>tell others don't make the same mistaks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Hey what? LOL

The stock market's rigged? Can't be. MONEY (and by extension the markets) 
are managed by upright outstanding fellows isn't it?

"Andy" <andy@localhost.net> wrote in message 
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> finely a good student of Mises
>
> hej lab, it your turn now ;-)
>
>

Today's letter if you're not subscribed.

Helps you understand how we got there. (and what to expect in the future). 
More hair of the dog that bit you.

http://www.mises.org:80/story/2864

"Andy" <andy@localhost.net> wrote in message 
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> finely a good student of Mises
>
> hej lab, it your turn now ;-)
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:56:11 +0000, dfte wrote:
>
>> Two things I am sure about horse racing and stocks are a set up

Your talking beyond me although i think I understand some of it
Money supply is allowing inflation to occur. This in addition to our 
national debt is very worrisome. I am not sure we have enough gold to 
utilize what you want although I might notunderstand fully the concept ( I 
am betting on that)

Now how to get clean air when many people have it and don't care about those 
that don't. I have been cleaned out. Whats the best homeless shelters ( the 
least chance to get murdered and please give percentages) thankyou all . Ps 
I might be willing to join a cult if I can get good air and they let me 
sleep at least 9 hours a day ( missed sleep because of pollution). I am a 
great advocate for doing the right things or believing in God.



"labatyd" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message 
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> Today's letter if you're not subscribed.
>
> Helps you understand how we got there. (and what to expect in the future). 
> More hair of the dog that bit you.
>
> http://www.mises.org:80/story/2864
>
> "Andy" <andy@localhost.net> wrote in message 
> news:pan.2008.01.29.22.42.22.952790@localhost.net...
>> finely a good student of Mises
>>
>> hej lab, it your turn now ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:56:11 +0000, dfte wrote:
>>
>>> Two things I am sure about horse racing and stocks are a set up
>
> 

"dfte" <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> Your talking beyond me although i think I understand some of it
> Money supply is allowing inflation to occur.

A money supply growing beyond the increase in productivity and the 
population IS THE CAUSE OF INFLATION. Presently all gov'ts are printing far 
more money than is actually being produced by the savings and productivity 
of the populations. The statistics they provide us are fudged to make 
inflation appear far less than is actually happening. They use very 
selective items and methods to make calculations, for a couple reasons. One, 
they don't want to alarm the population. Second and quite important the 
amounts govc't hand back to the citizens such as pensions is based on the 
rates provided. If true rates were used it would mean far higher 
expenditures for the gov't and much higher taxes which are tough on 
politicians and gov'ts in power. Third inflation makes debts shrink over 
time. Buy with todays dollars and pay back with much depreciated dollars in 
the future. As you pointed out gov't are HUGE borrows of funds. It allows 
the gov't to spend without taxing directly.

With a constant supply of dollars there is NO WAY prices across the board 
can increase. It's a very simple concept. If your personal income remains 
constant you may spend more on gasoline per month but that must be offset 
that with lower expeditures elsewhere. That means if other items are to be 
sold in the market in the same quantity prices will have to drop in those 
areas. Hence no inflation. But if more money is added to the economy WITHOUT 
increasing the amount of goods then a higher price can be paid for all 
items.

There is one very painful fact that no one points out in this process. When 
new money is added to the economy beyond what is worked and saved for, it 
must enter somewhere. It HAS to go to someone first and later will 
eventually work it's way into everyones accounts. Increasing the money 
supply today is basically done through interest rates.

Mostly it's the upper strata of the population that gets the greatest 
advantage of this increase in new money because they have the means to 
borrow funds, better educations, better advisers. Many rich and people in 
influential circles have a strong interest in maintaining this status quo. 
They tend to understand the processes involved. Much of this new money goes 
into the stock markets bidding up prices. The smaller investors tend to come 
into the markets later. A certain logic and frenzy sets in. Buy now before 
prices become even higher. Quick and easy money is being made everywhere. 
This easy money policy also finds it's way in other sectors of the economy.

But naturally such a process cannot continue indefinitely. At some point the 
gov't and central banks start to react. They are FORCED to do something for 
if it continues people will eventually realize that prices will never stop 
rising. They want to get rid of their shrinking dollars. Something is 
seriously wrong out there. So then we see rising interest rates and a 
concomitant decrease in the supply of money. Late comers, those that don't 
see what's happening in time get severely burned. Stock markets, housing, 
auto sales etc crash.

Later on the gov't will drop interest rates again when the economy becomes 
so sluggish that it's an issue on everyone's minds. Another dangerous point 
for the gov't.

Now the cycle repeats itself.

This in addition to our
> national debt is very worrisome. I am not sure we have enough gold to 
> utilize what you want although I might notunderstand fully the concept ( I 
> am betting on that)

Canada has less than 100,000 ounces last I checked. IIIRC correctly it was 
20 million after the last war. A sad state of affairs and a piddling amount 
on which to base a new currency when this one eventually goes bust.

As a matter of interest, the quantity of gold in the world works out to 
slightly less than ONE ounce per person. Very interestingly this ratio has 
remained almost constant thoughout history, some 6000 years. The increase in 
the quantity of gold has matched the increase in population. Almost all the 
gold ever found and mined is still with us.

SO.

Using gold as the barometer (gold is the world's real money) the quantity of 
money in circulation has remained fairly constant through out the centuries. 
As you can see, inflation would be non existant if we stuck to gold as our 
money. There would however be a steady decline in prices everywhere BECAUSE 
humans have learned how to to become so productive, putting fewers hours of 
work to make more and better products and services.

There have been a lot of paper curencies that have gone by the wayside in 
6000 years.

>
> Now how to get clean air when many people have it and don't care about 
> those that don't. I have been cleaned out. Whats the best homeless 
> shelters ( the least chance to get murdered and please give percentages) 
> thankyou all . Ps I might be willing to join a cult if I can get good air 
> and they let me sleep at least 9 hours a day ( missed sleep because of 
> pollution). I am a great advocate for doing the right things or believing 
> in God.
>
>
>
> "labatyd" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message 
> news:13pvoitdtvsdod0@corp.supernews.com...
>> Today's letter if you're not subscribed.
>>
>> Helps you understand how we got there. (and what to expect in the 
>> future). More hair of the dog that bit you.
>>
>> http://www.mises.org:80/story/2864
>>
>> "Andy" <andy@localhost.net> wrote in message 
>> news:pan.2008.01.29.22.42.22.952790@localhost.net...
>>> finely a good student of Mises
>>>
>>> hej lab, it your turn now ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:56:11 +0000, dfte wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two things I am sure about horse racing and stocks are a set up
>>
>>

Nope. It's the fiat currencies system that's a setup. It makes some people 
rich at the expense of many others. The 'others' are mostly poor and middle 
class people.

>
> 

"labatyd" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "dfte" <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:hE3oj.959$Be.409@trndny04...
>> Your talking beyond me although i think I understand some of it
>> Money supply is allowing inflation to occur.
>
> A money supply growing beyond the increase in productivity and the 
> population IS THE CAUSE OF INFLATION. Presently all gov'ts are printing 
> far more money than is actually being produced by the savings and 
> productivity of the populations. The statistics they provide us are fudged 
> to make inflation appear far less than is actually happening. They use 
> very selective items and methods to make calculations, for a couple 
> reasons. One, they don't want to alarm the population. Second and quite 
> important the amounts govc't hand back to the citizens such as pensions is 
> based on the rates provided. If true rates were used it would mean far 
> higher expenditures for the gov't and much higher taxes which are tough on 
> politicians and gov'ts in power. Third inflation makes debts shrink over 
> time. Buy with todays dollars and pay back with much depreciated dollars 
> in the future. As you pointed out gov't are HUGE borrows of funds. It 
> allows the gov't to spend without taxing directly.
>
> With a constant supply of dollars there is NO WAY prices across the board 
> can increase. It's a very simple concept. If your personal income remains 
> constant you may spend more on gasoline per month but that must be offset 
> that with lower expeditures elsewhere. That means if other items are to be 
> sold in the market in the same quantity prices will have to drop in those 
> areas. Hence no inflation. But if more money is added to the economy 
> WITHOUT increasing the amount of goods then a higher price can be paid for 
> all items.
>
> There is one very painful fact that no one points out in this process. 
> When new money is added to the economy beyond what is worked and saved 
> for, it must enter somewhere. It HAS to go to someone first and later will 
> eventually work it's way into everyones accounts. Increasing the money 
> supply today is basically done through interest rates.
>
> Mostly it's the upper strata of the population that gets the greatest 
> advantage of this increase in new money because they have the means to 
> borrow funds, better educations, better advisers. Many rich and people in 
> influential circles have a strong interest in maintaining this status quo. 
> They tend to understand the processes involved. Much of this new money 
> goes into the stock markets bidding up prices. The smaller investors tend 
> to come into the markets later. A certain logic and frenzy sets in. Buy 
> now before prices become even higher. Quick and easy money is being made 
> everywhere. This easy money policy also finds it's way in other sectors of 
> the economy.
>
> But naturally such a process cannot continue indefinitely. At some point 
> the gov't and central banks start to react. They are FORCED to do 
> something for if it continues people will eventually realize that prices 
> will never stop rising. They want to get rid of their shrinking dollars. 
> Something is seriously wrong out there. So then we see rising interest 
> rates and a concomitant decrease in the supply of money. Late comers, 
> those that don't see what's happening in time get severely burned. Stock 
> markets, housing, auto sales etc crash.
>
> Later on the gov't will drop interest rates again when the economy becomes 
> so sluggish that it's an issue on everyone's minds. Another dangerous 
> point for the gov't.
>
> Now the cycle repeats itself.
>
> This in addition to our
>> national debt is very worrisome. I am not sure we have enough gold to 
>> utilize what you want although I might notunderstand fully the concept 
>> ( I am betting on that)
>
> Canada has less than 100,000 ounces last I checked. IIIRC correctly it was 
> 20 million after the last war. A sad state of affairs and a piddling 
> amount on which to base a new currency when this one eventually goes bust.
>
> As a matter of interest, the quantity of gold in the world works out to 
> slightly less than ONE ounce per person. Very interestingly this ratio has 
> remained almost constant thoughout history, some 6000 years. The increase 
> in the quantity of gold has matched the increase in population. Almost all 
> the gold ever found and mined is still with us.
>
> SO.
>
> Using gold as the barometer (gold is the world's real money) the quantity 
> of money in circulation has remained fairly constant through out the 
> centuries. As you can see, inflation would be non existant if we stuck to 
> gold as our money. There would however be a steady decline in prices 
> everywhere BECAUSE humans have learned how to to become so productive, 
> putting fewers hours of work to make more and better products and 
> services.
>
> There have been a lot of paper curencies that have gone by the wayside in 
> 6000 years.
>
>>
>> Now how to get clean air when many people have it and don't care about 
>> those that don't. I have been cleaned out. Whats the best homeless 
>> shelters ( the least chance to get murdered and please give percentages) 
>> thankyou all . Ps I might be willing to join a cult if I can get good air 
>> and they let me sleep at least 9 hours a day ( missed sleep because of 
>> pollution). I am a great advocate for doing the right things or believing 
>> in God.
>>
>>
>>
>> "labatyd" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message 
>> news:13pvoitdtvsdod0@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Today's letter if you're not subscribed.
>>>
>>> Helps you understand how we got there. (and what to expect in the 
>>> future). More hair of the dog that bit you.
>>>
>>> http://www.mises.org:80/story/2864
>>>
>>> "Andy" <andy@localhost.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:pan.2008.01.29.22.42.22.952790@localhost.net...
>>>> finely a good student of Mises
>>>>
>>>> hej lab, it your turn now ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:56:11 +0000, dfte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two things I am sure about horse racing and stocks are a set up
>>>
>>>
>
> Nope. It's the fiat currencies system that's a setup. It makes some people 
> rich at the expense of many others. The 'others' are mostly poor and 
> middle class people.
>
>>
>> Thanks I will respond soon ( what else is there) Seriously its nice you 
>> care to explain your concepts.

>
>