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If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#134
Author: steve
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:20
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News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen
house... They have oil company execs and coal exes making energy
policy while those downwind ignore link after link to damages.Totally
ignored. Freedom my fking ass to rape people in the markets. to ignore
the people without insurance,,,, the news stations consolidate and
ignroe truth too.
the short rule only affect financials so what will hedge funds do?
DUH
just go where they are allowed to continue to rape investors. Vote
Democrats, the robbery barons still allowed to rob what about the
people who lost it all already Read this before yu invest!!!


The same message applies.. ....IN this same market,, you can bet when
they downgrade a stock the stock sinks but when they upgrade it still
does nothing.


 US stock market the biggest set up and fraud and ponzi scam
on Earth
In fact most if not every stock in the past decade has been a loser
for most people invested, with consumers losing more money in the
last
decade in stocks then most everything combined for any decade .Thats
because the markets are a ponzi scam One stock can go up even though
the fewest real investors are investing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while
the
stocks with most
investors can be played against at will and go down all the time and
yet the market can be described as all time high but few investors
are
capitalizing. The news media that consolidates can focus in what is
important, not you or me or REALITY. Freedom means what rich people
want to give or tell you while Google. Yahoo, Verizon and Craigs list
and news stations limit internet access and or practice outright
censurship. REALLY, the reality about a free exchange is limited if
you suggest too much reality against the people in power. WE are like
a mini Russia now. I read about people mad about the poor, they have
it easy they say!!! but they fail to concede the system is a complete
fix to rape average person who don't get a chance to get a job or who
are discriminated or poisoned made dependent on healthcare or foreign
or dirty expensive energy and losing their health, sleep and money if
any in the markets instead. Then those people who are real victims
are
blamed for being poor!!!!. If you need help too or have an illness
your really fked up. Its ok to steal in the markets because only the
rich get elected in the USand thus they are going to keep making
rules
where polluters are allowed to murder like coal companies and where
money market people and brokers and insiders can rape each investor ,
especaily the more they invest. It all can be ignored by the news
media. Cheap trades on the net has been the backbone of the biggest
fix on earth with the goal of taking your money whatever way
possible.
The bigger question of company ethics or market ethics is totally
ignored until the market collapases or its election time. Hey the
biggest markets in the world is a manipulated fix, where the goal as
someone said was to reach in the other guys pocket to take what you
can instead of relying on true company or stock potential. Or to be
more specific, once your big money arrives ,mms, hedge funds, brokers
etc do what ever it takes to t take your stock price down on cue
hoping you sell and the mm and hedge funds and brokers make automatic
profit instead after they take it up fast after you get out. .
Different variations of the same thing plays out daily in the
exchange. Who is to blame? so whats a little stealing and set up for
cheap internet trading
where
most investors have lost trillions and most politicians ignore that
they are bilked daily ? cheap internet trades, porn spell the set up
of taking your money in the trillions.
You have to protect your investments, put your money in guaranteed
funds, I learned the hard ways, Information age means squat when
people can show consensus by having ten people disagree with you. Its
your job to decipher true dangers . The world is scary place. I am
trying desperately to help people understand how cruel and rotten the
US and world is now. .


You invest in a stock especially allot of money long , the stock is
taken down, (hedge funds, mms, insiders and brokers all together) and
they wait till you sell for guaranteed loss over and over or They
Wait
till you get out
after which it will go back up usually fast and without your money,
don't want wait for it to go up? it
will stay down. Stocks that decades ago would swing at most ten
dollars a year now swing that much on a day because its the most
effective way to get you to sell.


This is the problem with the American economy and the reason it will
continue to decline. We no longer produce real goods and services,
the
economy is driven by reaching into the next guys pocket and
extracting
what you can." Invest long and market makers , hedge funds, brokers
and insiders
often take your investment down often in coordinated effort.
Trillions
have been lost. Is this
free market or is this a concerted effort to manipulate and short
stocks or go opposite any big investment at will? Its like a guy with
3 shells in the parking lot and you are to pick which one has the
ball. You never win, he has a shill there that does though, but you
never win. Thats the US stock market With the set up ,of cheap
trades
and people using
computers and internet trades this easy way to invest has virtually
raped people of their
money. This set up has virtually dared people to find ways to take
this investment and almost guarantee losses for all but the luckiest
of people. Its very fair to suggest most Americans who are not part
of
the set up and who nvested for families have lost trillions and very
few
have gained since internet trading became par (except a decade ago in
the very biggining). All this is completely ignored by politicians
and
newsmedia. Its almost like this is how govt is funded , so much money
is taken.
Is this a coincidence
or a fix? I say its a fix How does this fix work? When strong
sentiment goes
either way for a stock long or short or if your big money shows up,
someone usually hedges, market
makers come in , and or insiders together goes the other way to wipe
out your investment or the pool of sentiment. sometimes associated
brokerages or market websites come out with coordinated story to tell
you why your investment is now worth less. I urgently suggest no
matter how tempting not to invest its a bona fide ponzi scam. Us is
not free we are controlled as all hell


long or short if it enough money they will go the other way. Like
pink
cheap stocks, which are suppose to be less predictable and has less
market condition, stocks now often go up big and lose allot more then
pink sheet stocks. the stocks are different variations of pump and
dump which is a guaranteed recipe to
make you and those who invested with you lose. Call it supply and
demand, except the winners are
them
and you the investor is the always loser transferring your wealth to
them. Show me anyone long in the
past ten years who wasn't an insider, broker or hedge fund who has
gained !! After yu get out they bring the stock back up usually fast
and
without your money often overnight or when markets open so even
though
stocks are low, they can make it
apppear they are not all at all time lows although they can take it
down as low as that too Anything to get you to sell. They say it will
go back upl Bs often the money is lost forever. . They can take it up
just as fast without
your money and it will appear as is if everyone just made their money
back. .
Now If investors follow this sudden upswing , again they will lose
because from that point on the mms take it down slowly yet again. If
enough
investors tire waiting and sell, they not only lose but often watch
an
eventual upswing fast almost certain without your money.. You say to
yourseflf trades are cheap lets go back in...... then the same people
begin anew to slowly then
bring the stock down again for (your) guaranteeing you losses again
Its a
giant ponzi scam. Its the same
with horses. Once your money shows in the pool say on a favorite
especially big
money the horse loses much more times percentage wise then every
favorite without your money. Think its untrue.. Try it Is this free
enterprise or the biggest
fix ever ? Please send this post to others. I repeat please send this
to loved one. . They have limited my
ability to post in newsgroups as more isps limit newsgroup access,
and craigs list often
limiting my posts to one or twice every week.Yahoo, took the largest
message boards down Google only allows 4 post or 6 a day They call
this freedom? I
depend on you to post this to blogs. Hilary is right more rules for
the super rich , what happened to this country? Violence .mean
spirited people
and crime and rules for the rich and NOW censurship and things
like guaranteed loss with stocks and
many people have to
gratefully gravitate to welfare or disability, many people are
uncounted, many people without healthcare, many people have to
breathe
polluted air as we watch the tv and newsmedia ignore it all
investors will have been raped for
decades without anyone ever challenging all this or going over this.
Tell others!


PLEASE SEND this to other blogs please


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Re: If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#135
Author: Fred
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:27
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steve wrote:
> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
> also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen

depends on what u mean by free.
Re: If U.S. Tells others how to Govern - we are not even free!
#136
Author: UDARRELL
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:40
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Fred wrote:

> steve wrote:
>
>> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
>> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
>> also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the 
>> hen house
>
> depends on what u mean by free.

The reasons for invading Iraq had nothing to do with any of the reasons 
they gave!
Saddam was not allowing our leaders to do what they wanted to do in that 
country so, "Sock & Awe," total destruction
Imperialism, huh.
--------------------------------
Barack Obama OWNS the Political Moral High Ground

Morality and moral character are involved in what our elected leaders 
think, their philosophy and what they communicate and their moral stand 
regarding policy-making.
Authentic morality goes to the overview reality of their pro-life and 
right to life stands, which also means standing for the right of equity 
of economic opportunity and national health insurance providing the 
security toward a decent standard of living with which to enable 
procreation.

You cannot be for the deregulation of our economic policies and our 
finance, our mortgage lending sectors, and continue to claim the moral 
high ground. Barack Obama and Democrats are for wise regulatory policies 
that provide equity of economic opportunity toward economic security. Do 
you yet want to vote for Republicans that spoke out for & stood up for 
those deregulation policies?

The rhetoric and the policies of the Republicans, including John McCain 
and Sarah Palin, are antithetical to moral character and policy-making 
morality. They cannot be against equity of economic opportunity for 
working people, both men and women, and also be against national health 
insurance for everyone, and then try to claim the moral high ground.

Regarding foreign policy and military actions, how can you say that the 
George Bush and John McCain have been on the side of pro-life and right 
to life for every human being that suffered such egregious loss?

Not only has there been a needless devastation of our American troops 
but also horrendous devastation of the millions of innocent Iraqi men, 
women, and children that have been killed or seriously wounded, with 
their futures destroyed. Do you still want to vote for our Mideast 
Islamic war-hawks?

Trillions of our tax dollars down a self-defeating Iraq war foreign 
policy rat-hole while our homeland economy goes down the drain!
Do you still want to vote for our Mideast Islamic war-hawks?

Additionally, depleted uranium has a half-life of 4� billion years; it 
causes horrendous genetic birth defects and destroys the right to life 
of the living, and all those that were yet to be born.

Modern warfare is terror at its zenith, it fails the Justice and 
righteous tests and spawns hatred and retaliation in the form of 
terrorist attacks, therefore its use must be restricted to very few 
pinpoint targets.

Here again, the just, righteous and moral approach to economic and 
political differences could have been the resource that might very well 
have saved trillions and trillions of dollars and countless human lives.

It is not how much you know, it is how you use and apply the knowledge 
and the resources available with which to resolve differences and create 
and develop cooperative relationships with all countries and political 
regimes.

Wisdom Principled Empowerment Communications
http://www.udarrell.com/

-- 
WISDOM PRINCIPLED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS - 
THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES & WISDOM Principled PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT

http://www.udarrell.com/ (Updated) Pro Life/Right To Life -That's Obama

MY OBAMA BLOG: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/darrelludelhoven

"The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight but has no vision."
 - Helen Keller

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"
 - Albert Einstein

"REALITY Is Not An Easy Thing To Be Confronted With, or to ACCEPT." - Darrell U
Re: If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#137
Author: steve
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:11
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On Sep 19, 2:27 pm, Fred <f...@fr.ed> wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. I mean do we really have a right to tell governments or terrorists who have no way virtually to make their way to the US how to govern when we have more murders by gangs and people who live a life of crime then terrorists who we are suppos to be fighting  to promote freedom for while the countries with the weapons have actually gotten stronger!!!



 they
> > ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
> > also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen
>
> depends on what u mean by free.


Um , are allowed to post to newsgroups to hold a decent conversation
without Google, craigslist or yahoo or isps or aol or Verizon or blogs
and tv station websites deciding to limit your daily postings to maybe
once or twice of three times daily? Or censure completely?Freedom is
more and more limited. Do you know so help me God that the term
moderate from particulate pollution is literally killing people down
wind from goal. The difference in health care and need for health care
could be the biggest differences between who lives and dies yet the
people responsible for protecting you just like with lost of money to
hedge funds and insiders and brokerages in stocks ... They don't give
a crap. As long as they live in gated communites and often have
vacation homes in nice areas, you can be raped, murdered, be a crime
stat, get polluted air and lose your money to hedge funds and be
censored now and be ignored if you tell the truth....
Re: If U.S. Tells others how to Govern - we are not even free!
#138
Author: steve
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:12
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On Sep 19, 9:40 pm, UDARRELL <anonymo...@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Fred wrote:
> > steve wrote:
>
> >> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
> >> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
> >> also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the
> >> hen house
>
> > depends on what u mean by free.
>
> The reasons for invading Iraq had nothing to do with any of the reasons
> they gave!
> Saddam was not allowing our leaders to do what they wanted to do in that
> country so, "Sock & Awe," total destruction
> Imperialism, huh.
> --------------------------------
> Barack Obama OWNS the Political Moral High Ground
>
> Morality and moral character are involved in what our elected leaders
> think, their philosophy and what they communicate and their moral stand
> regarding policy-making.
> Authentic morality goes to the overview reality of their pro-life and
> right to life stands, which also means standing for the right of equity
> of economic opportunity and national health insurance providing the
> security toward a decent standard of living with which to enable
> procreation.
>
> You cannot be for the deregulation of our economic policies and our
> finance, our mortgage lending sectors, and continue to claim the moral
> high ground. Barack Obama and Democrats are for wise regulatory policies
> that provide equity of economic opportunity toward economic security. Do
> you yet want to vote for Republicans that spoke out for & stood up for
> those deregulation policies?
>
> The rhetoric and the policies of the Republicans, including John McCain
> and Sarah Palin, are antithetical to moral character and policy-making
> morality. They cannot be against equity of economic opportunity for
> working people, both men and women, and also be against national health
> insurance for everyone, and then try to claim the moral high ground.
>
> Regarding foreign policy and military actions, how can you say that the
> George Bush and John McCain have been on the side of pro-life and right
> to life for every human being that suffered such egregious loss?
>
> Not only has there been a needless devastation of our American troops
> but also horrendous devastation of the millions of innocent Iraqi men,
> women, and children that have been killed or seriously wounded, with
> their futures destroyed. Do you still want to vote for our Mideast
> Islamic war-hawks?
>
> Trillions of our tax dollars down a self-defeating Iraq war foreign
> policy rat-hole while our homeland economy goes down the drain!
> Do you still want to vote for our Mideast Islamic war-hawks?
>
> Additionally, depleted uranium has a half-life of 4½ billion years; it
> causes horrendous genetic birth defects and destroys the right to life
> of the living, and all those that were yet to be born.
>
> Modern warfare is terror at its zenith, it fails the Justice and
> righteous tests and spawns hatred and retaliation in the form of
> terrorist attacks, therefore its use must be restricted to very few
> pinpoint targets.
>
> Here again, the just, righteous and moral approach to economic and
> political differences could have been the resource that might very well
> have saved trillions and trillions of dollars and countless human lives.
>
> It is not how much you know, it is how you use and apply the knowledge
> and the resources available with which to resolve differences and create
> and develop cooperative relationships with all countries and political
> regimes.
>
> Wisdom Principled Empowerment Communicationshttp://www.udarrell.com/
>
> --
> WISDOM PRINCIPLED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS -
> THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES & WISDOM Principled PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
>
> http://www.udarrell.com/(Updated) Pro Life/Right To Life -That's Obama
>
> MY OBAMA BLOG:http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/darrelludelhoven
>
> "The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight but has no vision."
>  - Helen Keller
>
> "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"
>  - Albert Einstein
>
> "REALITY Is Not An Easy Thing To Be Confronted With, or to ACCEPT." - Darrell U

I agree
Re: If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#139
Author: steve
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:20
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> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. Has anyone heard any national politician say anything about violent crime in America?  they ignore that the terrorists we fight often have less violence then what is going on in our cities! They ignore we are fighting people who really have no air force and way to invade the US while the countries that produce the real weapons are exporting them and we are doing nothing?  Why?  We bail out banks to rape taxpayers while we
> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors over and over and over in the biggest set up in the world ever devised. and on top of  They have oil company execs and coal exes making energy
> policy while those downwind ignore link after link to damages.Totally
> ignored. Freedom my fking ass to rape people in the markets. to ignore
> the people without insurance,,,, the news stations consolidate and
> ignroe truth too.
> the short rule only affect financials so what will hedge funds do?
> DUH
> just go where they are allowed to continue to rape investors. Vote
> Democrats, the robbery barons still allowed to rob what about the
> people who lost it all already Read this before yu invest!!!
>
> The same message applies.. ....IN this same market,, you can bet when
> they downgrade a stock the stock sinks but when they upgrade it still
> does nothing.
>
>  US stock market the biggest set up and fraud and ponzi scam
> on Earth
> In fact most if not every stock in the past decade has been a loser
> for most people invested  FOR MOST FAMILIES who invested for decades. , with consumers losing more money in the
> last
> decade in stocks then most everything combined for any decade .Thats
> because the markets are a ponzi scam One stock can go up even though
> the fewest real investors are investing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while
> the
> stocks with most
> investors can be played against at will and go down all the time and
> yet the market can be described as all time high but few investors
> are
> capitalizing. The news media that consolidates can focus in what is
> important, not you or me or REALITY. Freedom means what rich people
> want to give or tell you while Google. Yahoo, Verizon and Craigs list
> and news stations limit internet access and or practice outright
> censurship. REALLY, the reality about a free exchange is limited if
> you suggest too much reality against the people in power. WE are like
> a mini Russia now. I read about people mad about the poor, they have
> it easy they say!!! but they fail to concede the system is a complete
> fix to rape average person who don't get a chance to get a job or who
> are discriminated or poisoned made dependent on healthcare or foreign
> or dirty expensive energy and losing their health, sleep and money if
> any in the markets instead. Then those people who are real victims
> are
> blamed for being poor!!!!. If you need help too or have an illness
> your really fked up. Its ok to steal in the markets because only the
> rich get elected in the USand thus they are going to keep making
> rules
> where polluters are allowed to murder like coal companies and where
> money market people and brokers and insiders can rape each investor ,
> especaily the more they invest. It all can be ignored by the news
> media. Cheap trades on the net has been the backbone of the biggest
> fix on earth with the goal of taking your money whatever way
> possible.
> The bigger question of company ethics or market ethics is totally
> ignored until the market collapases or its election time. Hey the
> biggest markets in the world is a manipulated fix, where the goal as
> someone said was to reach in the other guys pocket to take what you
> can instead of relying on true company or stock potential. Or to be
> more specific, once your big money arrives ,mms, hedge funds, brokers
> etc do what ever it takes to t take your stock price down on cue
> hoping you sell and the mm and hedge funds and brokers make automatic
> profit instead after they take it up fast after you get out. .
> Different variations of the same thing plays out daily in the
> exchange. Who is to blame? so whats a little stealing and set up for
> cheap internet trading
> where
> most investors have lost trillions and most politicians ignore that
> they are bilked daily ? cheap internet trades, porn spell the set up
> of taking your money in the trillions.
> You have to protect your investments, put your money in guaranteed
> funds, I learned the hard ways, Information age means squat when
> people can show consensus by having ten people disagree with you. Its
> your job to decipher true dangers . The world is scary place. I am
> trying desperately to help people understand how cruel and rotten the
> US and world is now. .
>
> You invest in a stock especially allot of money long , the stock is
> taken down, (hedge funds, mms, insiders and brokers all together) and
> they wait till you sell for guaranteed loss over and over or They
> Wait
> till you get out
> after which it will go back up usually fast and without your money,
> don't want wait for it to go up? it
> will stay down. Stocks that decades ago would swing at most ten
> dollars a year now swing that much on a day because its the most
> effective way to get you to sell.
>
> This is the problem with the American economy and the reason it will
> continue to decline. We no longer produce real goods and services,
> the
> economy is driven by reaching into the next guys pocket and
> extracting
> what you can." Invest long and market makers , hedge funds, brokers
> and insiders
> often take your investment down often in coordinated effort.
> Trillions
> have been lost. Is this
> free market or is this a concerted effort to manipulate and short
> stocks or go opposite any big investment at will? Its like a guy with
> 3 shells in the parking lot and you are to pick which one has the
> ball. You never win, he has a shill there that does though, but you
> never win. Thats the US stock market With the set up ,of cheap
> trades
> and people using
> computers and internet trades this easy way to invest has virtually
> raped people of their
> money. This set up has virtually dared people to find ways to take
> this investment and almost guarantee losses for all but the luckiest
> of people. Its very fair to suggest most Americans who are not part
> of
> the set up and who nvested for families have lost trillions and very
> few
> have gained since internet trading became par (except a decade ago in
> the very biggining). All this is completely ignored by politicians
> and
> newsmedia. Its almost like this is how govt is funded , so much money
> is taken.
> Is this a coincidence
> or a fix? I say its a fix How does this fix work? When strong
> sentiment goes
> either way for a stock long or short or if your big money shows up,
> someone usually hedges, market
> makers come in , and or insiders together goes the other way to wipe
> out your investment or the pool of sentiment. sometimes associated
> brokerages or market websites come out with coordinated story to tell
> you why your investment is now worth less. I urgently suggest no
> matter how tempting not to invest its a bona fide ponzi scam. Us is
> not free we are controlled as all hell
>
> long or short if it enough money they will go the other way. Like
> pink
> cheap stocks, which are suppose to be less predictable and has less
> market condition, stocks now often go up big and lose allot more then
> pink sheet stocks. the stocks are different variations of pump and
> dump which is a guaranteed recipe to
> make you and those who invested with you lose. Call it supply and
> demand, except the winners are
> them
> and you the investor is the always loser transferring your wealth to
> them. Show me anyone long in the
> past ten years who wasn't an insider, broker or hedge fund who has
> gained !! After yu get out they bring the stock back up usually fast
> and
> without your money often overnight or when markets open so even
> though
> stocks are low, they can make it
> apppear they are not all at all time lows although they can take it
> down as low as that too Anything to get you to sell. They say it will
> go back upl Bs often the money is lost forever. . They can take it up
> just as fast without
> your money and it will appear as is if everyone just made their money
> back. .
> Now If investors follow this sudden upswing , again they will lose
> because from that point on the mms take it down slowly yet again. If
> enough
> investors tire waiting and sell, they not only lose but often watch
> an
> eventual upswing fast almost certain without your money.. You say to
> yourseflf trades are cheap lets go back in...... then the same people
> begin anew to slowly then
> bring the stock down again for (your) guaranteeing you losses again
> Its a
> giant ponzi scam. Its the same
> with horses. Once your money shows in the pool say on a favorite
> especially big
> money the horse loses much more times percentage wise then every
> favorite without your money. Think its untrue.. Try it Is this free
> enterprise or the biggest
> fix ever ? Please send this post to others. I repeat please send this
> to loved one. . They have limited my
> ability to post in newsgroups as more isps limit newsgroup access,
> and craigs list often
> limiting my posts to one or twice every week.Yahoo, took the largest
> message boards down Google only allows 4 post or 6 a day They call
> this freedom? I
> depend on you to post this to blogs. Hilary is right more rules for
> the super rich , what happened to this country? Violence .mean
> spirited people
> and crime and rules for the rich and NOW censurship and things
> like guaranteed loss with stocks and
> many people have to
> gratefully gravitate to welfare or disability, many people are
> uncounted, many people without healthcare, many people have to
> breathe
> polluted air as we watch the tv and newsmedia ignore it all
> investors will have been raped for
> decades without anyone ever challenging all this or going over this.
> Tell others!
>
> PLEASE SEND this to other blogs please
>
> > News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. I mean do we really have a right to tell governments or terrorists who have no way virtually to make their way to the US how to govern when we have more murders by gangs and people who live a life of crime then terrorists who we are suppos to be fighting  to promote freedom for while the countries with the weapons have actually gotten stronger!!!



 they
> > ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
> > also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen
>
> depends on what u mean by free.


Um , are allowed to post to newsgroups to hold a decent conversation
without Google, craigslist or yahoo or isps or aol or Verizon or blogs
and tv station websites deciding to limit your daily postings to maybe
once or twice of three times daily? Or censure completely?Freedom is
more and more limited. Do you know so help me God that the term
moderate from particulate pollution is literally killing people down
wind from coal literally?. The difference in health care and need for
health care could be the biggest differences between who lives and
dies yet the people responsible for protecting you just like with lost
of money to hedge funds and insiders and brokerages in stocks ... They
don't give a crap. As long as they live in gated communites and often
have vacation homes in nice areas, you can be raped, murdered, be a
crime stat, get polluted air and lose your money to hedge funds and be
censored now and be ignored if you tell the truth....

News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the
hen
house... They have oil company execs and coal exes making energy
policy while those downwind ignore link after link to damages.Totally
ignored. Freedom my fking ass to rape people in the markets. to
ignore
the people without insurance,,,, the news stations consolidate and
ignroe truth too.
the short rule only affect financials so what will hedge funds do?
DUH
just go where they are allowed to continue to rape investors. Vote
Democrats, the robbery barons still allowed to rob what about the
people who lost it all already Read this before yu invest!!!

The same message applies.. ....IN this same market,, you can bet when
they downgrade a stock the stock sinks but when they upgrade it still
does nothing.


 US stock market the biggest set up and fraud and ponzi scam
on Earth
In fact most if not every stock in the past decade has been a loser
for most people invested, with consumers losing more money in the
last
decade in stocks then most everything combined for any decade .Thats
because the markets are a ponzi scam One stock can go up even though
the fewest real investors are investing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while
the
stocks with most
investors can be played against at will and go down all the time and
yet the market can be described as all time high but few investors
are
capitalizing. The news media that consolidates can focus in what is
important, not you or me or REALITY. Freedom means what rich people
want to give or tell you while Google. Yahoo, Verizon and Craigs list
and news stations limit internet access and or practice outright
censurship. REALLY, the reality about a free exchange is limited if
you suggest too much reality against the people in power. WE are like
a mini Russia now. I read about people mad about the poor, they have
it easy they say!!! but they fail to concede the system is a complete
fix to rape average person who don't get a chance to get a job or who
are discriminated or poisoned made dependent on healthcare or foreign
or dirty expensive energy and losing their health, sleep and money if
any in the markets instead. Then those people who are real victims
are
blamed for being poor!!!!. If you need help too or have an illness
your really fked up. Its ok to steal in the markets because only the
rich get elected in the USand thus they are going to keep making
rules
where polluters are allowed to murder like coal companies and where
money market people and brokers and insiders can rape each investor ,
especaily the more they invest. It all can be ignored by the news
media. Cheap trades on the net has been the backbone of the biggest
fix on earth with the goal of taking your money whatever way
possible.
The bigger question of company ethics or market ethics is totally
ignored until the market collapases or its election time. Hey the
biggest markets in the world is a manipulated fix, where the goal as
someone said was to reach in the other guys pocket to take what you
can instead of relying on true company or stock potential. Or to be
more specific, once your big money arrives ,mms, hedge funds, brokers
etc do what ever it takes to t take your stock price down on cue
hoping you sell and the mm and hedge funds and brokers make automatic
profit instead after they take it up fast after you get out. .
Different variations of the same thing plays out daily in the
exchange. Who is to blame? so whats a little stealing and set up for
cheap internet trading
where
most investors have lost trillions and most politicians ignore that
they are bilked daily ? cheap internet trades, porn spell the set up
of taking your money in the trillions.
You have to protect your investments, put your money in guaranteed
funds, I learned the hard ways, Information age means squat when
people can show consensus by having ten people disagree with you. Its
your job to decipher true dangers . The world is scary place. I am
trying desperately to help people understand how cruel and rotten the
US and world is now. .


You invest in a stock especially allot of money long , the stock is
taken down, (hedge funds, mms, insiders and brokers all together) and
they wait till you sell for guaranteed loss over and over or They
Wait
till you get out
after which it will go back up usually fast and without your money,
don't want wait for it to go up? it
will stay down. Stocks that decades ago would swing at most ten
dollars a year now swing that much on a day because its the most
effective way to get you to sell.


This is the problem with the American economy and the reason it will
continue to decline. We no longer produce real goods and services,
the
economy is driven by reaching into the next guys pocket and
extracting
what you can." Invest long and market makers , hedge funds, brokers
and insiders
often take your investment down often in coordinated effort.
Trillions
have been lost. Is this
free market or is this a concerted effort to manipulate and short
stocks or go opposite any big investment at will? Its like a guy with
3 shells in the parking lot and you are to pick which one has the
ball. You never win, he has a shill there that does though, but you
never win. Thats the US stock market With the set up ,of cheap
trades
and people using
computers and internet trades this easy way to invest has virtually
raped people of their
money. This set up has virtually dared people to find ways to take
this investment and almost guarantee losses for all but the luckiest
of people. Its very fair to suggest most Americans who are not part
of
the set up and who nvested for families have lost trillions and very
few
have gained since internet trading became par (except a decade ago in
the very biggining). All this is completely ignored by politicians
and
newsmedia. Its almost like this is how govt is funded , so much money
is taken.
Is this a coincidence
or a fix? I say its a fix How does this fix work? When strong
sentiment goes
either way for a stock long or short or if your big money shows up,
someone usually hedges, market
makers come in , and or insiders together goes the other way to wipe
out your investment or the pool of sentiment. sometimes associated
brokerages or market websites come out with coordinated story to tell
you why your investment is now worth less. I urgently suggest no
matter how tempting not to invest its a bona fide ponzi scam. Us is
not free we are controlled as all hell


long or short if it enough money they will go the other way. Like
pink
cheap stocks, which are suppose to be less predictable and has less
market condition, stocks now often go up big and lose allot more then
pink sheet stocks. the stocks are different variations of pump and
dump which is a guaranteed recipe to
make you and those who invested with you lose. Call it supply and
demand, except the winners are
them
and you the investor is the always loser transferring your wealth to
them. Show me anyone long in the
past ten years who wasn't an insider, broker or hedge fund who has
gained !! After yu get out they bring the stock back up usually fast
and
without your money often overnight or when markets open so even
though
stocks are low, they can make it
apppear they are not all at all time lows although they can take it
down as low as that too Anything to get you to sell. They say it will
go back upl Bs often the money is lost forever. . They can take it up
just as fast without
your money and it will appear as is if everyone just made their money
back. .
Now If investors follow this sudden upswing , again they will lose
because from that point on the mms take it down slowly yet again. If
enough
investors tire waiting and sell, they not only lose but often watch
an
eventual upswing fast almost certain without your money.. You say to
yourseflf trades are cheap lets go back in...... then the same people
begin anew to slowly then
bring the stock down again for (your) guaranteeing you losses again
Its a
giant ponzi scam. Its the same
with horses. Once your money shows in the pool say on a favorite
especially big
money the horse loses much more times percentage wise then every
favorite without your money. Think its untrue.. Try it Is this free
enterprise or the biggest
fix ever ? Please send this post to others. I repeat please send this
to loved one. . They have limited my
ability to post in newsgroups as more isps limit newsgroup access,
and craigs list often
limiting my posts to one or twice every week.Yahoo, took the largest
message boards down Google only allows 4 post or 6 a day They call
this freedom? I
depend on you to post this to blogs. Hilary is right more rules for
the super rich , what happened to this country? Violence .mean
spirited people
and crime and rules for the rich and NOW censurship and things
like guaranteed loss with stocks and
many people have to
gratefully gravitate to welfare or disability, many people are
uncounted, many people without healthcare, many people have to
breathe
polluted air as we watch the tv and newsmedia ignore it all
investors will have been raped for
decades without anyone ever challenging all this or going over this.
Tell others!
Re: If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#140
Author: PABLITO
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21
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Do you understand the term ""ORGANIZED CRIME"

Do you understand the term ""CCE"  ( continuing criminal
enterprise )

Have you ever heard of the RICO  statutes ???

Do You understand "Communism"

Do you have any idea of what happens when you
combine marxist thinking by  marxist followers with
organized crime, and  conduct "CCE" against the
citzens of a country.    You wind up with a Communist
driven continuing criminal enterprize...   AKA
The   --- ---  Demoncratic party  --- ---.

You want to understand how all this economic disaster
happened in the housing,  financial, and banking industry.
Better take a real long look at the social aspects of the
demoncrats and some of the repubblicans going back 20
25 years.  Oh yea,  goodies for all.  everybody must have
opportunity to be home owners,  does not matter if
you don't work, and have no credit,  just sign here,
and its yours.

Oh yea, you want a new merceedes, or Beemer,  does
not matter if you don't work, have absoluty no or bad
credit,   sign here, its yours.

Oh Yea,  and don't forget to vote for us demoncrates,
cause we will give you anything your pea pickin lil heart
desires....
Oh, who is going to pay for it...  Ahhhhhhhhhhh

Somebody's kids years down the road.

we won't bother to call then socialists any more,
The demoncrats have graduated to full blown
communists,
Now they are blatently stealing  from the citizens.
don't even try to hid it.  just do it.
Course you do this, YOUR a criminal.......

And their lackey with the big ears and flappin lips, well he
wants to give everybody anything they want., will say any
thing he thinks you want to hear, for a vote.
But if you do not understand  the premise of communism,
or have never heard of life in China, Russia, Cuba,  or
anyother place under communism,  then you might want
to do a bit of research before casting a vote for flappin lips,
with elephant ears....

Freedom is yours for a price.  Are you ready to pay for it
with your life, or your blood.  Freedom is not legislated,
but  earned, and paid for by those willing to fight for it,
with their lives  and blood on the line. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your not willng to fight for your freedom, then go crawl
back under your rock,  and soon the boots of bondage
and oppression will trample on you.

Pablito
*******************************************


"Fred" <fred@fr.ed> wrote in message 
news:61TAk.38216$vX2.4960@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> steve wrote:
>> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
>> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
>> also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen
>
> depends on what u mean by free. 
Re: If US Tells others how to Govern we are not even free!!!!!
#133
Author: FACE
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:35
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:21:28 -0400 in atl.general, "PABLITO"
<pablito@bellsouth.net>  in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: 

>Do you understand the term ""ORGANIZED CRIME"
>
>Do you understand the term ""CCE"  ( continuing criminal
>enterprise )
>
>Have you ever heard of the RICO  statutes ???
>
>Do You understand "Communism"
>
>Do you have any idea of what happens when you
>combine marxist thinking by  marxist followers with
>organized crime, and  conduct "CCE" against the
>citzens of a country.    You wind up with a Communist
>driven continuing criminal enterprize...   AKA
>The   --- ---  Demoncratic party  --- ---.
>
>You want to understand how all this economic disaster
>happened in the housing,  financial, and banking industry.
>Better take a real long look at the social aspects of the
>demoncrats and some of the repubblicans going back 20
>25 years.  Oh yea,  goodies for all.  everybody must have
>opportunity to be home owners,  does not matter if
>you don't work, and have no credit,  just sign here,
>and its yours.
>
>Oh yea, you want a new merceedes, or Beemer,  does
>not matter if you don't work, have absoluty no or bad
>credit,   sign here, its yours.
>
>Oh Yea,  and don't forget to vote for us demoncrates,
>cause we will give you anything your pea pickin lil heart
>desires....
>Oh, who is going to pay for it...  Ahhhhhhhhhhh
>
>Somebody's kids years down the road.
>
>we won't bother to call then socialists any more,
>The demoncrats have graduated to full blown
>communists,
>Now they are blatently stealing  from the citizens.
>don't even try to hid it.  just do it.
>Course you do this, YOUR a criminal.......
>
>And their lackey with the big ears and flappin lips, well he
>wants to give everybody anything they want., will say any
>thing he thinks you want to hear, for a vote.
>But if you do not understand  the premise of communism,
>or have never heard of life in China, Russia, Cuba,  or
>anyother place under communism,  then you might want
>to do a bit of research before casting a vote for flappin lips,
>with elephant ears....
>
>Freedom is yours for a price.  Are you ready to pay for it
>with your life, or your blood.  Freedom is not legislated,
>but  earned, and paid for by those willing to fight for it,
>with their lives  and blood on the line. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Your not willng to fight for your freedom, then go crawl
>back under your rock,  and soon the boots of bondage
>and oppression will trample on you.
>
>Pablito
>*******************************************
>
>
>"Fred" <fred@fr.ed> wrote in message 
>news:61TAk.38216$vX2.4960@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> steve wrote:
>>> News and politicians ignore violent crime, totally ignore it. they
>>> ignore hedge funds allowed to rape investors, they now censor allot
>>> also. This is not freedom this is fix.. they have the foxes in the hen
>>
>> depends on what u mean by free. 
>

Pablito, I have been wanting to point this out and I guess this is as good
of a place as any, even it if doe snot address your points..........

The subject line alone is completely senseless to the point of being stupid.
For those who can;t comprehend that, the subject line makes no
sense.............

At all.

(sitting on ready to give examples to the clueless.....)


FACE
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