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leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) writes:

>I just got my first message packet from this conference.  I just wanted
>to say hello to everyone and wish you a happy new year.

>I have been overweight all of my life, and now at the ripe old age of 30
>I think I'm finally able say the word "fat" without cringing.  I was
>harrassed and badgered and prodded my whole life long to quite being
>such a slob and just DO it - lose that weight and everything will be
>hunky dorey.  My dad's idea of motivation was the statement (made to me
>when I was 14) "You know, you're about as sexy as a bag of dirty
>laundry."  Thanks.  Sure made my day.

>However!  I am now married to a man who loves me (proves it every day!)
>and was actually worried last year when I started going to Weight
>Watchers when pressured to do so by a co-worker.  He just didn't want me
>to set myself up for a fall (which, of course, I did anyway).  (P.S. -
>Joe is the person who convinced me that sexy lingerie wasn't just for
>size sixes.  Whee!)

>If anyone of the female persuasion ever comes down to the Atlanta area,
>there's a great chain of stores here called Catherine's.  I get all of
>my suits there.  And (for "nice" clothes) they're reasonably priced.

>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).

>Looking forward to chatting with all of you...

>Leigh
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> . SLMR 2.1a . Broken cookies have no calories.
 
In defense of Lane Bryant... we have them here in Cali, and I love them. 
(My mother lives in Atlanta, perhaps I should have her check out the LB
there.) I am 25 and work in the theatre, so I kinda live in stirrup
pants or leggings... so that, I like. But, also... our LB's here have
wonderful skirts, blouses, dresses, and casual shirts and pants. PLUS
lingerie! My one complain with them is this though... the stockings. 
I cant find stockings there that fit. (They used to have some, but
the must have changed manufacturer's because the same size doesnt fit 
anymore, when I still wear the same size pant. Not even the largest
size pant they sell... you would think that they would sell stockings that
would fit up to the largest size pant... weird.)  

Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)

-diana
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>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>

I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
source for them?   Anyone know this?

Toni

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>>hunky dorey.  My dad's idea of motivation was the statement (made to me
>>when I was 14) "You know, you're about as sexy as a bag of dirty
>>laundry."  Thanks.  Sure made my day.

Don't mean to insult your family, but what a jerk!!!

>>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).

Lane Bryants really seem to vary between stores and towns. I think it may have
to do with the buyer. Ours here in Boston aren't too bad, but I've been in
some that I hate! They do carry WAY too many stirrup pants, and way too few
non-business skirts for my taste. Also, their clothes are incredibly 
overpriced for their quality. The clothes are made passably well for the
usual women's ready-to-wear market, but not worth the prices they ask!

>In defense of Lane Bryant... we have them here in Cali, and I love them. 
>(My mother lives in Atlanta, perhaps I should have her check out the LB
>there.) I am 25 and work in the theatre, so I kinda live in stirrup
>pants or leggings... so that, I like. But, also... our LB's here have
>wonderful skirts, blouses, dresses, and casual shirts and pants. PLUS
>lingerie! 

See? :->
Oh, I like their lingerie, too. In fact, I habitually wear some of it as 
summer clothes. And it often goes on sale.

>My one complain with them is this though... the stockings. 
>I cant find stockings there that fit. (They used to have some, but
>the must have changed manufacturer's because the same size doesnt fit 
>anymore, when I still wear the same size pant. Not even the largest
>size pant they sell... you would think that they would sell stockings that
>would fit up to the largest size pant... weird.)  

I've noticed this, too, and it pisses me off. I've gotten some of my best
tights there, but I just bought a pair a week ago that I can hardly wear.
Much thinner material, and far too small! My older tights were the same 
size, and had comfortable stretching room, but this pair pulls and rolls.
Boo!!!

>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)

Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).

Marty



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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/

>I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
>them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
>source for them?   Anyone know this?

Actually, I know a mail company called Fit To Be Tried carries them, but I've
never ordered tights from them. I did order a Danskin Plus Cotton Basics 
leotard, though, and I've been very pleased with it. The company carries a 
selection of workout clothes as their main line; it's fairly limited to 
basics, but seems to be good quality. Also, I've had very good experiences 
with their customer service; I tried to order two leotards once, and a woman
called me (at work) to tell me that they had run out of them in my size, then
proceeded to describe what they did have in my size over the phone, and even
went to check on a couple of items in their stock (while I waited). I couldn't
decide, so she sent me one leotard, a credit certificate, and a new catalog.
She was completely pleasant the whole time, and everyone I've ever spoken with
there has been extremely nice.

Their address is: Fit To Be Tried
                  4754 E. Grant 
                  Tucson, AZ 85712
                  1-800-669-6409 (charge by phone Mon.- Sat., 10am - 5pm MST) 


Marty



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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/

In article <75.462.uupcb@ehbbs.gwinnett.com> leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton)  writes:
>
>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).
>
Now the view from the other side . . .  :-)

I just started working part-time at a Lane Bryant over X-mas, and
will probably keep the job just for the discount.  I can assure you,
that at *my* store, customer service is very good. :-), but LB
sales associates are *not* paid by any sort of commission, just
at flat, very low, salary.

(Oh, and by the way, I'm a size 26/28 saleswoman, and proud of it!)

I've learned quite a few interesting things about the store since
I started working there.  Lane Bryant is now owned by the Limited,
which also owns Limited stores (duh), Lerners, and Victoria's Secret.
When the Limited took over LB, it wanted to give it a "hipper" image
which would appeal to younger buyers and "borderline" buyers, e.g.,
the 14/16s who could conceivably find clothes at "non-specialty"
stores.  Hence the (very) casual clothes, predominance of stirrups,
etc.  AND, hence the lack of large size models in their advertisements,
in-store posters, etc.  That was one of the first questions I asked
when I started working there . . . "Why are all the models size 8s?
If that?"  Because, with true marketing genius, LB doesn't want
to be seen as a "fat store".  Bright, huh.  Again, its that teen/young
adult and 14/16 market they don't want to scare off.  And it seems
to be working.  LB consistently has the highest profit of all the
Limited holdings.

BTW, I agree with you about the tights.  I HATE these new things.
The reason for the difference is they got a new manufacturer, and
decided to concentrate on "fashion pattern" tights instead of the
good old comfortable, sturdy, long-lasting ones.

One quick story - during the month of December (and those of you who
work retail know how hellish that month can be), every week we would
get gifts from the home office - a tin of cookies to "give us energy",
a 5 lb bag os M & Ms to "charge us up", Hershey's Kisses, chocolate
Santas . . . all of us at the store (and we're all large), were
amused by what we saw as a blatant attempt to keep us wearing Lane
Bryant sizes.  One woman decided that if we were getting all of this
candy, the sales associates over at Victoria's Secret must be getting
rice cakes or Slimfast.

Oh well, maybe you had to be there.   :-)

Jill

In article <C0MD23.HFB@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

(discussion of Lane Bryant stores and their varying levels of quality)

I agree about the Lane Bryant chain -- they certainly are variable.  The
ones around here (Boston suburbs) aren't among the best, I don't think.
Out in northern Illinois, where we visit every year at the holidays,
the LB's are generally somewhat better in terms of selection, service,
and general attitude.  The Burlington, Mass. one that is nearest to me
here is often disappointing, but being a rather captive audience I do
keep going back.  I've recently found a very nice skirt there as well
as a lot of comfortable, easy-care turtlenecks, on sale nice and cheap!
The skirt's a long, slightly flared one with a print on black -- it's
not Dress For Success quality but fortunately where I work most people
don't dress up that much -- the skirt and the turtlenecks are quite 
acceptable.

But I've also been to LB in recent months looking for plain black
half slips, only to be told that such utilitarian items have been
phased out in favor of lacy teddies.  I'm delighted to see that we
of the larger-size persuasion can get sexy skivvies, but I still need
the plain stuff for everyday!

And then there is the tights problem...

>
>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>
>Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
>that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).
>
>Marty
>

We had a thread going before Christmas about the tights shortage.  LB has
definitely changed their tights supplier -- this year's batch are nothing
more than slightly thick opaque panty hose.  And they have the nerve to
charge the same price for the things!  I'm still using last year's warm,
comfortable ones -- I have them in black, blue, green, navy, and maroon.
Every color they had, in fact! :-)  Except they've all got holes in the
toes finally.  Since I'm not about to spend $9, or even $6 (they're
currently on sale) for glorified nylons, I'm seriously contemplating
repairing the holes.  By the time I get around to that, of course, it'll
be summer.

So if anyone can locate a tights source, it will be most appreciated!
I didn't know the LB ones were not only thinner but smaller as well,
since I didn't buy them or try them.  But it figures.  Oh, at LB this
last weekend there were actually some thicker tights -- in a really
atrocious industrial-strength grey.  If I want leggings that look like
that I'll just wear long underwear!

Linda
lksmith@truth.mitre.org
 

In article <1993Jan11.153609.26853@linus.mitre.org>, lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
> In article <C0MD23.HFB@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes: 
> And then there is the tights problem...
> 
>>
>>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>>
>>Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
>>that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).
>>
>>Marty
>> 
> So if anyone can locate a tights source, it will be most appreciated!
> I didn't know the LB ones were not only thinner but smaller as well,
> since I didn't buy them or try them.  But it figures.  Oh, at LB this
> last weekend there were actually some thicker tights -- in a really
> atrocious industrial-strength grey.  If I want leggings that look like
> that I'll just wear long underwear!
> 
> Linda
> lksmith@truth.mitre.org
>  
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About the tights:
They're right about the Danskin Plus tights -- they make 3 styles.  Regular
tights, the shiny one, and then some that are "light support" which are far as
I can tell just means they stay up better.

There's a mail order house called Appleseed's Just Right!
				  30 Tozer road
				  PO box 1020
				  Beverly, MA  01915-0720

that carried tights of the same description and price as the regular tights so
I assume they are, but here in Texas, there's an "outlet mall" south of Austin
with a Danskin outlet.  All the Danskin Plus stuff including lingerie is about
a third their retail.   There are probably others, regionally located.

Lynn

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In article <1993Jan10.012238.20731@netcom.com> cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
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>
>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>
>-diana

Hi!

I have been searching forever for large size tights!  I too would love to know if
(oops!) if anyone knows where to get them.  And I mean pretty large, 6 feet tallabout 280 lbs, size 28-30W.  I will also put in my 2 cents about Lane Bryant.
Their catalogues are OK (too much polyester), but their stores are great!
I've recently bought there a black suede jacket with fringe, several white
blouses with various front treatments, a black velvet vest with jewel stones andbeads all over it, a gold metallic top and stirrups set, etc.  This is also
in California, so it may be the location.

Take care, everyone.

--Michelle

mberteig@cco.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan10.021805.25282@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>>
>
>I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
>them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
>source for them?   Anyone know this?

Have you tried the Spiegel catalogue "For You"?  I don't know the telephone
number but just call 800 info 1-800-555-1212 and ask for Spiegel's.  Then
call and get the catalogue.  In my last one there were opaque tights that
were 3 pair for $15 and in large large sizes.  It's a great catalogue with
the usual somethings overpriced but by and large the quality and style is
great for professional clothes, evening wear, lingerie and casual clothes.
I like it alot better that Appleseed.

One comment about Lane Bryant-Where are the business dresses and jackets and
skirts that can be put together for a suit look?  What are those ruffles
doing on the dresses?  As for wanting to be hipper-look just who are those
buyers?  Who does their marketing research?  The researchers must only talk to
focus groups who wander into the Limited.  I mean, where are the classic
clothes and what about sophistication?  I am 37, I don't want to dress like
a teenager or a country queen.  Give me some adult clothes!!!!

Cynthia
  

lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith) writes:

>I agree about the Lane Bryant chain -- they certainly are variable.  The
>ones around here (Boston suburbs) aren't among the best, I don't think.

The one in the Cambridgeside Galleria (in Cambridge) is where I go most often,
mostly because they have easy parking. It's a little better than the one 
downtown, I think; more selection often, and I find the downtown one 
confusing (it has two levels, and I can never quite figure out what's where).

>Out in northern Illinois, where we visit every year at the holidays,
>the LB's are generally somewhat better in terms of selection, service,
>and general attitude.  The Burlington, Mass. one that is nearest to me
>here is often disappointing, but being a rather captive audience I do
>keep going back.  I've recently found a very nice skirt there as well
>as a lot of comfortable, easy-care turtlenecks, on sale nice and cheap!
>The skirt's a long, slightly flared one with a print on black -- it's
>not Dress For Success quality but fortunately where I work most people
>don't dress up that much -- the skirt and the turtlenecks are quite 
>acceptable.

I wish they would sell turtlenecks (and other things) in cotton, not poly
blend. I can't wear the stuff, and the best turtleneck I've ever owned is
100% cotton one I originally bought for my husband, who abandoned it. They
always say that cotton doesn't hold up or hold its shape, but this one has
for three years.

I really wish they'd carry more casual skirts. This is the kind of think I 
*do* wear to my office. The straight knit ones they carried over Christmas
were a step in the right direction, but not really big enough -- to wear
such a clingy style, one needs a little more room.

>But I've also been to LB in recent months looking for plain black
>half slips, only to be told that such utilitarian items have been
>phased out in favor of lacy teddies.  I'm delighted to see that we
>of the larger-size persuasion can get sexy skivvies, but I still need
>the plain stuff for everyday!

Don't know if you have one near you, but I get stuff like that often at 
Sizes Unlimited (mine's in Watertown). Also try places like Bradlee's; their
clothes per se are wretched, but they often carry passable basics and lingerie.
I've also heard they carry good large-size tights, but haven't had a chance
to check for myself (I heard this last night, as a matter of fact, from a
Sizes U. saleswoman who agreed that the tights carried by SU and LB left
much to be desired).

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/