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Here's some dialog I've been having with a couple of pedophiles on a
You Tube comments section:

Ace:
He was probably a latent pedophile (at the time), but latent
pedophiles need to continually have the crap scared out of them, to
keep them under their rock. This is one type of "witch hunt" that
should always continue full force, because these sickos are real life
monsters. Never give them an inch of wiggle room. Zero tolerance in
all aspects of pedophilia is what's needed.

Timmy:
Latent pedophile? Seriously? He ran a website to share photos of
little girls, socialize with other pedophiles, and publicize real life
kiddy events. There was nothing 'latent' about Jack. He was, and still
is a genuine pedophile. There is nothing that can change this fact. He
wasn't guilty of any crimes. He was simply persecuted for being a non-
offending pedophile. And yet, scaring the "crap out of him" failed to
prevent him from airing his opinion on tv! Go Jack!!

Ace:
By latent pedophile I meant, according to him, he hasn't molested any
children yet. If he is as you say a full pedophile, the chances of him
acting on those urges are likely to extremely likely. Scaring the
crap out of him i.e. "persecuting" him, will hopefully keep him from
crossing the line after what's happened to him already. Pedophiles are
depraved individuals who pose a threat to our children in all
instances. His website advertized these kids to other pedophiles who
do molest children.

Timmy:
Meeting the criteria for pedophilia does not require the molestation
of children. Child sexual assault is a basis for diagnosis, but its
absence does not preclude it. Jack can, and probably will, live his
entire life without molesting a single child, and yet still meet the
criteria for pedophilia. He was coping with his attractions by living
within the law, as so many pedophiles do. Persecuting individuals
based on their life-long, unchosen, sexual attractions, is not worthy
of a modern society.

Ace:
Every pedophile is a latent child molester. Fear is often the only
thing that keeps them from acting out. They don't consider sex
a"consenting child" molestation/assault. Guys like you who defend it,
rationalize it and advertise being one worry me as a PhD in behavioral
science who's dealt with these issues for over a decade. I've talked
to dozens of guys like you. Many have end up as convicted molesters.
Don't look for sympathy. Pedophiles are depraved creeps, not victims.

Timmy:
"..all efforts to direct or change feelings of sexual attraction are
experimental. There is as yet no scientific evidence that any
particular method is generally effective and safe." - agetaboo. org
Why would a fifteen year old boy with such feelings, place himself in
the hands of someone who considers such people to be 'depraved
creeps'?

Ace:
There's no good form of pedophilia. It is a self-serving self-
justifying selfish pathology that exploits and victimizes people in
every way shape and form it exists in. The 15 year old was probably
the victim of pedophilia and now he will probably go on to make new
victims like a virus or a vampire. Those of us who have worked the
dirty side of the street, hip deep in its filth, know too much about
it. How exploited were the boys in that picture? Is it the beginning
shot of a porn spread?

Timmy:
You can play the ignorant fool to suit your argument, but the facts
remain, the cycle of abuse you refer to has little scientific support.
Pedophiles are the result of a biological predisposition, and many,
probably most, are not the result of child molestation. They are young
boys who upon reaching adolescence, discover this about themselves, in
the same way that homosexual youth discover their sexuality. Not quite
worthy of a response, the answer to your cheap shot is actually NO.

Ace:
Pedophilia is recognized by us who deal with it as a pathology. What
you want to euphemize it as makes no difference to us who've been hip
deep in it. I'm a behavioral scientist who's dealt with this for over
a decade. I've heard everything you're trying to sell a thousand
times. We who deal with this stuff and help law enforcement have never
been swayed by it and we never will be. Pedophiles always trying to
use kids as a plea it the real cheap shot and it's completely
transparent.

Timmy:
The only thing transparent is your evasion of the facts. You repeat a
fallacy ( the cycle of abuse theory) for which I call you out on, and
you make no effort to deny it. Regardless of how pedophilia is
defined, you know I speak the truth. This disorder occurs in children
and remains with them throughout their lives. Logically, if you care
about children (which I really doubt), then you need to care for those
with pedophilia as well !

Ace:
Cycle of abuse is something counselors and law enforcement encounter
all the time. I certainly have in the 25 years I've worked with the
system.Sometimes the disorder occurs on it's own, sometimes it stems
from cycle of abuse. But I'm glad you recognize it as a disorder. It's
a disorder that causes a lot of damage via exploitation and
molestation. Lets say I care more about the victims of pedophiles. And
I think pathological pedophiles trying to counsel other pedophiles
constitutes enabling.

Timmy:
"Disorder" is a meaningless term when so many people can meet some
diagnoses or another under the DSM. As a homosexual person who also
has pedophilia, it is impossible for me to differentiate or separate
the two conditions. If one belongs in the DSM as a disorder, then they
both do. They are separate only due to political reasons, not
scientific ones, which you're no doubt already aware.
A disorder it may be, but, so what??
And enabling? Whatever that infers. I'm merely expressing an opinion.

Ace:
I still like you classifying pedophilia as a disorder rather
euphemistically calling it an "orientation", when in actuality it's a
pathology. I'm very aware pedophiles want in on the gay rights
movement. The gay community as a whole will fight you more on that
than I will. I was speaking of sage pedophiles offering support to
novice pedophiles in general as enabling. Hundreds of adults have
testified how pedophiles have ruined their lives. Pedophilia is ugly,
harmful and destructive.

Boy P:
you wrong bro. check this out
cogsci.stackexchange. (remove space) com/questions/587/is-pedophili­a-
a-sexual-orientation-or-a-me­ntal-disorder

Ace:
This kind of fringe science / pseudo science has been around for a
very long time. I've been a behavioral scientist for 25 years, bro.
I've seen it all and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Pedophiles
need to recognize pedophilia as an illness that needs to be combated,
instead of seeking to enable it further and thus continuing to inflict
harm. Do you care about how many men have become drug and alcohol
addicted, because of a pedophile in their past? Look what happened to
Corey Haim.


Boy P:
and this one also
lifesitenews. com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-o­rientation-experts-tell-
parlia­ment/

Ace:
That's nothing different than stuff I've seen as far back as the
90's. The focus is always going to be on the kids, no matter what a
team of pedophiles or pedophile apologists/supporters come up with.
People aren't going to be okay with an adult having a sexual/romantic
relationship with a child. And there's just been too many adults who
were in such relationships as kids coming forward and detailing how
badly it screwed them up. Things aren't easing up for pedophiles,
they're getting tougher.

Timmy:
Some might consider needlessly marking other's comments as spam,
unfitting behavior for an individual with a PhD in Behavioral Science.
You could easily block me, ignore me, or not even return to the
thread. Possibly, I've hit a nerve?. Perhaps you are indeed harboring
some guilt or feel personally responsible for an unknown number of
child sexual assaults?
I absolutely hold you responsible as well. Time to change your
tactics!
continue to acknowledge your guilt by marking as spam if you like

Ace:
Why would I mark your comment as spam? I have no problem dialoging
with you. I'm always hopeful such dialogs will be educational. You're
not saying anything I haven't heard a zillion times. Why do you think
a nerve would suddenly be hit after all this time? Stop being
ridiculous.

To be continued (?)