🚀 go-pugleaf

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

RedDog wrote in alt.support.boy-lovers on Sat September 26 2009 00:24 in
Message-ID:
<3d349001-0752-4303-ae60-098bca6b4114@n2g2000vba.googlegroups.com>

> I recall seeing, about 30 years ago, a paperback book entitled "Boys
> as Sex Slaves". The cover featured illustrations of boys in various
> kinds of physically dangerous bondage. (I forget where I saw it,
> probably in an adult book store, which I used to frequent back in
> those days.)
> 
> Now, I'm not in favor of laws against any sort of pornography that
> doesn't hurt other people in its production, but IMO the identities of
> people who read novels or view images encouraging non-consensual and/
> or violent sexual aggression toward others, especially children,
> *should* be kept archived in a database so that LEA can sift through
> it for suspects whenever a child's or other innocent person's life
> might be in danger. After all, the perpetrators of such violence will
> almost surely have read and fantasized about it at some point before
> they actually commit the crimes. And to let their identities be known
> to the police would surely save many innocent lives of would-be murder
> victims.

With all due respect, this is errant nonsense. There are at least two 
issues here: 

First, where do you draw the line?

Should all readers of murder mysteries have to register? In one real-life
case (at least) the murderer got the idea of poisoning his neighbours from
an Agatha christie novel, A Pale Horse: 

    ... In the garage, the investigators found a bottle containing 
    powdered thallium.  After the discovery of thallium, Trepal was 
    charged with seven counts of poisoning.  A subsequent search of 
    Trepal's Sebring home in April of 1989 turned up chemistry books 
    and equipment, including information about poisons.  Officials 
    also found the Agatha Christie novel Pale Horse, which described 
    using thallium to poison people in a household.  Finally, the 
    police found a bottle-capping machine that could be used to 
    replace the bottle caps of Coca-Cola bottles after the cap was 
    removed to introduce the poison into the drink. ...
    
    http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/case_updates/Htm/121965.htm

What about movie patrons? Should they have to register as well?  In at 
least two cases, criminals used a method shown in a Dirty Harry movie -- 
i.e. forced ingestion of liquid drain cleaner -- to kill one of their 
victims. 

> Wouldn't that be the saner alternative to outlawing things like
> Japanese comic books, as Baal reports is now the situation in Canada,
> and to persecuting sick fucks like Frank McCoy? 

Neither is a sane alternative. For what it's worth, the U.S. is also 
currently prosecuting importers of Japanese comic books, to wit: 

    The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund has signed on as a special 
    consultant to the defense of Chistopher Handley, an Iowa 
    collector who faces up to 20 years in prison for possession 
    of manga.  The Fund adds its First Amendment expertise to the 
    case, managed by United Defense Group's Eric Chase, and will 
    also be providing monetary support towards obtaining expert 
    witnesses.

    Handley, 38, faces penalties under the PROTECT Act (18 U.S.C. 
    Section 1466A) for allegedly possessing manga that the government 
    claims to be obscene.  The government alleges that the material 
    includes drawings that they claim appear to be depictions of 
    minors engaging in sexual conduct.  No photographic content is 
    at issue in Handley's case.

    http://www.cbldf.org/pr/archives/000372.shtml
    
> I mean, outlawing the written word just doesn't seem to be quite the 
> American thing to do, does it! 

I disagree, it is a /very/ American thing to do. Just look up the record of
one Anthony Comstock, a 19th Century U.S. Postal Inspector (and later) 
politician. According to Wikipedia: 

    During his career, Comstock clashed with Emma Goldman and 
    Margaret Sanger. In her autobiography, Goldman referred to 
    Comstock as the leader of America's "moral eunuchs". Through 
    his various campaigns, he destroyed 15 tons of books, 284,000 
    pounds of plates for printing 'objectionable' books, and 
    nearly 4,000,000 pictures.[citation needed] 
    
    Comstock boasted that he was responsible for 4,000 arrests and 15 
    suicides.[4] 
    
As a politician, Comstock was responsible for the enactment of the so-
called "Comstock Laws", described by Wikipedia as follows: 

    The Comstock Act, (ch. 258 17 Stat. 598 enacted March 3, 1873) 
    was a United States federal law which made it illegal to send 
    any "obscene, lewd, and/or lascivious" materials through the 
    mail, including contraceptive devices and information. In 
    addition to banning contraceptives, this act also banned the 
    distribution of information on abortion for educational 
    purposes. Twenty-four states passed similar prohibitions on 
    materials distributed within the states.[1] Collectively, 
    these state and federal restrictions are known as the 
    Comstock laws. 
    
You'll note the section regarding sending "obscene, lewd and/or lascivious
materials" -- this is very similar wording to the statute which is being
used to prosecute Frank McCoy, to wit: 

    Title 18, United States Code Section 1462

    § 1462. Importation or transportation of obscene matters

    Whoever brings into the United States, or any place subject 
    to the jurisdiction thereof, or knowingly uses any express 
    company or other common carrier or interactive computer 
    service (as defined in section 230(e)(2) [1] of the 
    Communications Act of 1934), for carriage in interstate or 
    foreign commerce--

    (a) any obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy book, pamphlet, 
    picture, motion-picture film, paper, letter, writing, print, 
    or other matter of indecent character; or

    (b) any obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy phonograph 
    recording, electrical transcription, or other article or 
    thing capable of producing sound; or 
    
    (c) any drug, medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, 
    or intended for producing abortion, or for any indecent or 
    immoral use; or 

    any written or printed card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet,
    advertisement, or notice of any kind giving information, directly 
    or indirectly, where, how, or of whom, or by what means any of 
    such mentioned articles, matters, or things may be obtained or 
    made; ... 

So, as you can see, Frank is being prosecuted according to a law originally
passed in 1873 or 136 years ago.     

> (One of the reasons I'm so proud to be an American is because of the 
> freedoms we enjoy here.) 

Tell that to Frank McCoy, Karen Fletcher (Red Rose) and Christopher Handley.
 
> Also, ppl like Frank McCoy (or Rose Red) could actually help LEA build
> the database of possible future rapists and murderers. Let 'em post
> their filth -- just keep track of those who read it.

Why stop at that? Why not force libraries to keep records of what patrons
read, and allow government agents to rifle through records at will? 

Think this is far-fetched?  It's already been done.  See this NY Times
story: 

  In the debate over the future of the antiterrorism law, the 
  administration has said that it has never used the so-called 
  library provision in the law, which falls under Section 215, 
  to demand records from libraries or booksellers.

  The A.C.L.U. said that in the Connecticut case, the bureau was 
  using a separate investigative tool, a type of administrative 
  subpoena known as a national security letter, to get records 
  related to library patrons, reading materials and patrons' use 
  of the Internet. 
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/politics/26patriot.html?_r=1
  
According to stories I've read, these 'administrative subpoenas' literally 
number in the thousands per year. 

Second, how effective will this measure you propose be at apprehending
offenders? 

This measure, although well-meaning, will not be at all effective. 

Just look at that recent case in California, where a long-missing woman re-
appeared -- the one who had been abducted as an 11 or 12 year old. The man 
who abducted her was a sex offender, and I believe he was forced to wear a 
GPS ankle bracelet tracking his movements at all times. His house was 
searched countless times by the authorities, who found nothing. 

Setting up /another/ such registry will be equally of little value when it
comes to apprehending a suspect. 

Baal <Baal@Usenet.org>
PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1E92C0E8
PGP Key Fingerprint: 40E4 E9BB D084 22D5 3DE9  66B8 08E3 638C 1E92 C0E8
Retired Lecturer, Encryption and Data Security, Pedo U, Usenet Campus
- --

Bob&Carole threatens to 'out' me -- I challenge him to do so....

  Thu, 30 Jul 2009: Tomba is next, you'll have to wait in line.

  Fri, 25 Sep 2009: 57 days and counting... *STILL* *NOTHING* 

  http://tinyurl.com/bob-carole-lies-again

Bob&Carole is also quite the hypocrite, as well as a liar -- after some 
poster threatens to expose him, bob responds with: 

  ... FIND ME, FAGGOT...that's all you have to do to save face... 
  Prove yourself. Show usenet that you can do what you claim 
  to be able to do. The ball is in your court....

  Bob&Carole in alt.politics.homosexuality 2007-06-04 01:08
  Message-ID: <1180963151.720214.90530@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

  http://tinyurl.com/bobandcarole-hypocrite

When confronted over his failure to do to me what he claimed _he_ would do, 
all Bob&Carole does is to demand proof that he ever said he would do what 
he promised in the first place. What a lying hypocrite! 

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?"  --  "Who will watch the Watchmen?"
                              -- Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347. circa 128 AD

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJKvbavAAoJEAjjY4weksDoHlMH/1M4pZ1LIAowEQUG6JHRAZFW
rn01PxG8ft60EuK4IitRH8h2nQd0vjE/cPFXvWtPNkq2wBmoQOSzMuFnF8+Cnuc7
zpWElnogncYUeDnYt3Dcr85Sf6IKnx9Uq7zFHgOVwYtzM8DFY+0IwhXraekNrPoA
HHQDEscLGBUZLN7MKmci4uLzooV3UHKzkVcgSzn0qwiRVkjUwfdNTwvXWtM2t6Rr
wWRwtGP/K6hyDagsrXjeINPXwIp8fMIcgMtk7TrDeBtU9Li9rcDJpZbzJwbN7RQC
VVHqBN0XjXdrlvq4bYf7Pt+F4JnnbHYeGN4flKTr4CXZfPj9GZ1RHYZmphsBlgg=
=EOD6
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----