🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Thread View: alt.support.boy-lovers
2 messages
2 total messages Started by ◎→Usenet Legends bobandcarole Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:25
Re: Homosexuality cannot be in the genes, but suppose, just suppose, there was a genetic connection, would that justify gay “mar...
#188
Author: ◎→Usenet Legends bobandcarole
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:25
76 lines
5613 bytes
By FRANCIS AYIEKO  Posted Tuesday, December 7 2010 at 18:00

It is still anyone’s guess why Prime Minister Raila Odinga decided to
broach the controversial gay debate. Could he have been pushed by some
cleric or had he been informed of some clandestine goings-on among the
youth in his Lang’ata backyard?

Although he has since denied ordering the arrest of gay couples, he
has maintained that homosexuality is unlawful in Kenya. From his
speech at the rally, it was also clear he abhors the practice.

So, is Mr Odinga trying to have his cake and eat it too or could this
be a sign that the reality of some of the clauses in the new
Constitution are finally sinking in?

One of the reasons many people gave for opposing the draft
constitution was that it apparently “legitimised” homosexuality, among
other moral concerns.

Whenever these concerns were raised, the ‘Yes’ camp would dismiss ‘No’
campaigners as liars. But a critical study of the document revealed
that we would have to “learn to live with men who have sex with other
men and women who have sex with other women”.

Under the new Constitution, homosexuals and lesbians are considered to
be a minority group, and their rights and freedoms are protected under
the Bill of Rights. Specifically, Article 27(4) prohibits
discrimination on any grounds, including sexual preference.

However, the drama that followed Mr Odinga’s comments has made us lose
sight of the need for sober debate on the place of same-sex unions in
our society.

Personally, I hold the view that as a society, we should respect and
treat homosexuals with dignity. This is for the simple reason that
they are human beings.

However, we should not approve of their lifestyle because it is
against the order of nature. And in their heart, most gays know it.
Maybe the only problem is that they don’t know how to get out of it.

It is unfortunate that rather than listen to the concerns of society,
gays and their supporters brand those who hold contrary opinion crass,
insensitive, homophobic, bigoted and intolerant.

I listened to a very interesting live debate about “homosexuality and
the church” on a Christian radio station last year. The host got the
shock of his life when people confessing to be gay started calling in,
not only to discuss their sexual orientation, but to proudly talk
about “their faith in Christ”.

“I am gay and Christian. And I don’t believe it is a sin,” one said,
maintaining that people do not choose to be gay.

One is compelled to ask which Bible they believe in, for the one
Christians live by condemns homosexuality in no uncertain terms and
clearly calls it sin.

The callers argued that homosexuality was in their genes. But the
truth is that study after study has shattered that myth and concluded
there is no scientific evidence of a gay gene, which establishes a
predisposition to homosexual behavior.

But suppose, just suppose, there was a genetic connection, would that
justify gay “marriage”? If it was established that there was a genetic
connection to criminal behavior, would that excuse crime?

What our gay brothers and sisters forget is that human beings, unlike
animals, are not meant to live life by base instincts. Instead, we
live by some set standards by which to control our desires.

We all have desires and appetites — some very weird. But that is no
excuse to do whatever we please. Any desire and appetite will have its
own destructive consequences if uncontrolled. Unchecked sexual
appetite is no exception.
Re: Homosexuality cannot be in the genes, but suppose, just suppose, there was a genetic connection, would that justify gay “mar...
#187
Author: Don Stockbauer
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:44
90 lines
5922 bytes
On Dec 7, 1:25 pm, ◎→Usenet Legends bobandcarole
<usenetlegends00...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By FRANCIS AYIEKO  Posted Tuesday, December 7 2010 at 18:00
>
> It is still anyone’s guess why Prime Minister Raila Odinga decided to
> broach the controversial gay debate. Could he have been pushed by some
> cleric or had he been informed of some clandestine goings-on among the
> youth in his Lang’ata backyard?
>
> Although he has since denied ordering the arrest of gay couples, he
> has maintained that homosexuality is unlawful in Kenya. From his
> speech at the rally, it was also clear he abhors the practice.
>
> So, is Mr Odinga trying to have his cake and eat it too or could this
> be a sign that the reality of some of the clauses in the new
> Constitution are finally sinking in?
>
> One of the reasons many people gave for opposing the draft
> constitution was that it apparently “legitimised” homosexuality, among
> other moral concerns.
>
> Whenever these concerns were raised, the ‘Yes’ camp would dismiss ‘No’
> campaigners as liars. But a critical study of the document revealed
> that we would have to “learn to live with men who have sex with other
> men and women who have sex with other women”.
>
> Under the new Constitution, homosexuals and lesbians are considered to
> be a minority group, and their rights and freedoms are protected under
> the Bill of Rights. Specifically, Article 27(4) prohibits
> discrimination on any grounds, including sexual preference.
>
> However, the drama that followed Mr Odinga’s comments has made us lose
> sight of the need for sober debate on the place of same-sex unions in
> our society.
>
> Personally, I hold the view that as a society, we should respect and
> treat homosexuals with dignity. This is for the simple reason that
> they are human beings.
>
> However, we should not approve of their lifestyle because it is
> against the order of nature. And in their heart, most gays know it.
> Maybe the only problem is that they don’t know how to get out of it.
>
> It is unfortunate that rather than listen to the concerns of society,
> gays and their supporters brand those who hold contrary opinion crass,
> insensitive, homophobic, bigoted and intolerant.
>
> I listened to a very interesting live debate about “homosexuality and
> the church” on a Christian radio station last year. The host got the
> shock of his life when people confessing to be gay started calling in,
> not only to discuss their sexual orientation, but to proudly talk
> about “their faith in Christ”.
>
> “I am gay and Christian. And I don’t believe it is a sin,” one said,
> maintaining that people do not choose to be gay.
>
> One is compelled to ask which Bible they believe in, for the one
> Christians live by condemns homosexuality in no uncertain terms and
> clearly calls it sin.
>
> The callers argued that homosexuality was in their genes. But the
> truth is that study after study has shattered that myth and concluded
> there is no scientific evidence of a gay gene, which establishes a
> predisposition to homosexual behavior.
>
> But suppose, just suppose, there was a genetic connection, would that
> justify gay “marriage”? If it was established that there was a genetic
> connection to criminal behavior, would that excuse crime?
>
> What our gay brothers and sisters forget is that human beings, unlike
> animals, are not meant to live life by base instincts. Instead, we
> live by some set standards by which to control our desires.
>
> We all have desires and appetites — some very weird. But that is no
> excuse to do whatever we please. Any desire and appetite will have its
> own destructive consequences if uncontrolled. Unchecked sexual
> appetite is no exception.

So, you two are members of Boob and Carnal and Tad and Alas?
Thread Navigation

This is a paginated view of messages in the thread with full content displayed inline.

Messages are displayed in chronological order, with the original post highlighted in green.

Use pagination controls to navigate through all messages in large threads.

Back to All Threads