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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:

> God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
> fascists because he is Testing your children?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Uncle Steve

I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people want
to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works done in good 
faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods, across frames of reference,
which leads me to believe that our evolution still has some ways to go.

Dhu


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On 2/22/2013 11:03 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>


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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> 
> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Uncle Steve
> 
> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> evolution still has some ways to go.
> 
> Dhu

The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
many ways.

-- 
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"When we remember that we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life
stands explained."
   -- Mark Twain

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28:59 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>> 
>> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
>> > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > 
>> > Uncle Steve
>> 
>> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
>> want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
>> done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
>> across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
>> evolution still has some ways to go.
>> 
>> Dhu
> 
> The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> many ways.

A ?million years?   A million years ago we were beach apes that had 
moved up to setting fires and eating road-kill.  

Dhu



-- 
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 08:34:25PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28:59 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> > Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> >> 
> >> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> >> > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > 
> >> > Uncle Steve
> >> 
> >> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> >> want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> >> done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> >> across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> >> evolution still has some ways to go.
> >> 
> >> Dhu
> > 
> > The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> > already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> > from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> > many ways.
> 
> A ?million years?   A million years ago we were beach apes that had 
> moved up to setting fires and eating road-kill.  

A thousand years from now, and perhaps much sooner, we'll be existing
instantiated in a computational substrate with vastly enhanced
cognitive capabilities.  Unless, of course, suicidal religious
fanatics manage to perpetrate some sort of grotesque global tragedy --
and I'm not talking about Muslims.



Regards,

Uncle Steve

-- 
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it
flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
  -- Friedrich Neitzsche

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 07:03:10PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> 
> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
> > fascists because he is Testing your children?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Uncle Steve
> 
> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people want
> to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works done in good 
> faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods, across frames of reference,
> which leads me to believe that our evolution still has some ways to go.

The existence or non-existence of God is a central tenet of religion.
As an atheist, I recognize that people who say there is a God often
think they _are_ God in the aggregate as believers, and use "God's
will" to project the responsibility of agency to the collective will,
and deny personal responsibility for actions taken in God's name.

In so far as your comments regarding good works, your conclusion is a
complete non-sequitur.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

-- 
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it
flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
  -- Friedrich Neitzsche

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:03:07 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 07:03:10PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>> 
>> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
>> > fascists because he is Testing your children?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > 
>> > Uncle Steve
>> 
>> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people want
>> to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works done in good 
>> faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods, across frames of reference,
>> which leads me to believe that our evolution still has some ways to go.
> 
> The existence or non-existence of God is a central tenet of religion.
> As an atheist, I recognize that people who say there is a God often
> think they _are_ God in the aggregate as believers, and use "God's
> will" to project the responsibility of agency to the collective will,
> and deny personal responsibility for actions taken in God's name.
> 
> In so far as your comments regarding good works, your conclusion is a
> complete non-sequitur.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Uncle Steve

Atheists who must constantly revisit the Sky Faerie mythology to 
convince themselves do not convince me.  Work done in bad faith 
is of no particular use outside the arm-reach of it's origin.

Dhu



-- 
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

On Feb 21, 1:15 pm, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
> fascists because he is Testing your children?
>
> Regards,
>
> Uncle Steve
>
Sorry man.  Out of 34,482,779 Canadians, I'm the one who likes the
"Canada's Economic Action Plan" commercials on television and love how
my government funds self serving propaganda.

The other 34,482,778 of you suck.

On Feb 22, 8:30 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:03:07 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 07:03:10PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>
> >> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
> >> > fascists because he is Testing your children?
>
> >> > Regards,
>
> >> > Uncle Steve
>
> >> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people want
> >> to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works done in good
> >> faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods, across frames of reference,
> >> which leads me to believe that our evolution still has some ways to go.
>
> > The existence or non-existence of God is a central tenet of religion.
> > As an atheist, I recognize that people who say there is a God often
> > think they _are_ God in the aggregate as believers, and use "God's
> > will" to project the responsibility of agency to the collective will,
> > and deny personal responsibility for actions taken in God's name.
>
> > In so far as your comments regarding good works, your conclusion is a
> > complete non-sequitur.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Uncle Steve
>
> Atheists who must constantly revisit the Sky Faerie mythology to
> convince themselves do not convince me.  Work done in bad faith
> is of no particular use outside the arm-reach of it's origin.
>
> Dhu
>
> --
> Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

It took me years to understand faith and the diversity of it, and
decide to be an Atheist.

Ask how long it took a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindi or a Jew.

Probably not long.

On Feb 22, 2:28 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>
> > > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> > > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Uncle Steve
>
> > I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> > want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> > done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> > across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> > evolution still has some ways to go.
>
> > Dhu
>
> The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> many ways.
>
My wisdom teeth were taken out when I was 19.   My penis was
circumcised when I was born.

I was born unto the United Church of Canada.

But, my wisdom teeth were removed because they were packing my frontal
teeth and were going to cause a problem later on in life.   My penis
was  circumcised because my parents were Protestants, and somehow
thought that getting my foreskin cut off, to be like my Dad, my
Grandfathers, etc.  Was the way!

The only surgical process that I have had in 54 years has been my
Wisdom teeth and my foreskin.

I still have my Tonsils and my Appendix.

I guess that's the way it was in 1958.    I have many friends who have
their foreskins, but don't have their Wisdom teeth.    Obviously, one
was for medical matters, the other was tradition, or if I was a Jew,
one of religious tradition.

On Feb 22, 8:48 pm, Jim <garekm...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:28 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> > Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>
> > > > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> > > > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
>
> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Uncle Steve
>
> > > I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> > > want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> > > done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> > > across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> > > evolution still has some ways to go.
>
> > > Dhu
>
> > The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> > already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> > from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> > many ways.
>
> My wisdom teeth were taken out when I was 19.   My penis was
> circumcised when I was born.
>
> I was born unto the United Church of Canada.
>
> But, my wisdom teeth were removed because they were packing my frontal
> teeth and were going to cause a problem later on in life.   My penis
> was  circumcised because my parents were Protestants, and somehow
> thought that getting my foreskin cut off, to be like my Dad, my
> Grandfathers, etc.  Was the way!
>
> The only surgical process that I have had in 54 years has been my
> Wisdom teeth and my foreskin.
>
> I still have my Tonsils and my Appendix.
>
> I guess that's the way it was in 1958.    I have many friends who have
> their foreskins, but don't have their Wisdom teeth.    Obviously, one
> was for medical matters, the other was tradition, or if I was a Jew,
> one of religious tradition.

Being Baptized under the United Church was probably one of the ten
times I attended Church.   The other times where when I was going to
Sunday school and my folks wanted to dump me because they wanted a
Sunday afternoon together to get it on without the kid!

I am an Atheist.  But I respect faith because I know too many people
of faith to be like that asshole Atheist Christopher Hitchens, who I
found repugnant because he had a hate on for good people who have
faith and use it to raise their children and get through times that
anyone knows when people need strength.   There are more good people
of faith than there are not.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:41:04 -0800, Jim wrote:

> On Feb 22, 8:30 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:03:07 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 07:03:10PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>>
>> >> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant right-tard
>> >> > fascists because he is Testing your children?
>>
>> >> > Regards,
>>
>> >> > Uncle Steve
>>
>> >> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people want
>> >> to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works done in good
>> >> faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods, across frames of reference,
>> >> which leads me to believe that our evolution still has some ways to go.
>>
>> > The existence or non-existence of God is a central tenet of religion.
>> > As an atheist, I recognize that people who say there is a God often
>> > think they _are_ God in the aggregate as believers, and use "God's
>> > will" to project the responsibility of agency to the collective will,
>> > and deny personal responsibility for actions taken in God's name.
>>
>> > In so far as your comments regarding good works, your conclusion is a
>> > complete non-sequitur.
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Uncle Steve
>>
>> Atheists who must constantly revisit the Sky Faerie mythology to
>> convince themselves do not convince me.  Work done in bad faith
>> is of no particular use outside the arm-reach of it's origin.
>>
>> Dhu
>>
>> --
>> Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.
> 
> It took me years to understand faith and the diversity of it, and
> decide to be an Atheist.
> 
> Ask how long it took a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindi or a Jew.
> 
> Probably not long.

?Christian?  Jesus was an Anabaptist.  It's a volunteers only club.

Dhu



-- 
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

On Feb 23, 1:48 am, Jim <garekm...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:28 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> > Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>
> > > > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> > > > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
>
> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Uncle Steve
>
> > > I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> > > want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> > > done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> > > across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> > > evolution still has some ways to go.
>
> > > Dhu
>
> > The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> > already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> > from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> > many ways.
>
> My wisdom teeth were taken out when I was 19.   My penis was
> circumcised when I was born.
>
> I was born unto the United Church of Canada.
>
> But, my wisdom teeth were removed because they were packing my frontal
> teeth and were going to cause a problem later on in life.   My penis
> was  circumcised because my parents were Protestants, and somehow
> thought that getting my foreskin cut off, to be like my Dad, my
> Grandfathers, etc.  Was the way!
>
> The only surgical process that I have had in 54 years has been my
> Wisdom teeth and my foreskin.
>
> I still have my Tonsils and my Appendix.
>
> I guess that's the way it was in 1958.    I have many friends who have
> their foreskins,

How do you know, are ya doing inspections?

> but don't have their Wisdom teeth.

Maybe they lost em chewing on foreskins. I hear the shitstabber of
baal does that too.

"Usenet Legends bobandcarole �"  wrote in message 
news:996c6056-4d34-4397-b461-f0c704f324cc@c10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

> Maybe they lost em chewing on foreskins. I hear the shitstabber of
> baal does that too.



So the voices are talking to you, I sort of guess that was happening to you.


http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-a-z/H/hearing-voices/

//Hearing voices are still considered by psychiatry as an auditory 
hallucination and as a symptom of conditions such as schizophrenic 
disorders, manic depression and psychosis. The orthodox treatment is with 
major tranquillisers\\ 

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:55:29 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 08:34:25PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28:59 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
>> > Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
>> >> > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > 
>> >> > Uncle Steve
>> >> 
>> >> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
>> >> want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
>> >> done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
>> >> across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
>> >> evolution still has some ways to go.
>> >> 
>> >> Dhu
>> > 
>> > The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
>> > already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
>> > from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
>> > many ways.
>> 
>> A ?million years?   A million years ago we were beach apes that had 
>> moved up to setting fires and eating road-kill.  
> 
> A thousand years from now, and perhaps much sooner, we'll be existing
> instantiated in a computational substrate with vastly enhanced
> cognitive capabilities.  Unless, of course, suicidal religious

Bug Life, eh?  I've got a Samsung S2 with what looks to be a fungal
pr bacterial infection spreading across the OLED substrate, so I wouldn't
think we'll want to entirely abandon physical existence so quick...  if at all.

> fanatics manage to perpetrate some sort of grotesque global tragedy --
> and I'm not talking about Muslims.

Ah, you mean the *Robot Wars*?  There will certainly be some questions
about what it is to be human in fairly short order.  The ReichWinge push 
for a genetic definition of a "human" proceeds not merely from the desire 
to constrain the Liberty of women but also out of a great fear of machines... Luddites.

Dhu

> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Uncle Steve





-- 
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:19:28PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:55:29 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 08:34:25PM +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28:59 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> >> atheist goddess wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:03:10 GMT
> >> > Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:15:59 -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > God is creating a militarized police state run by ignorant
> >> >> > right-tard fascists because he is Testing your children?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Uncle Steve
> >> >> 
> >> >> I would think there's rather more free will involved than most people
> >> >> want to contemplate regardless of the (non)extance of God.  Works
> >> >> done in good faith are transferable, with suitable semantic mods,
> >> >> across frames of reference, which leads me to believe that our
> >> >> evolution still has some ways to go.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Dhu
> >> > 
> >> > The evolution of the human species has not come to an end.  We're
> >> > already seeing people born without wisdom teeth, and a million years
> >> > from now the human species as we know it now could be very different in
> >> > many ways.
> >> 
> >> A ?million years?   A million years ago we were beach apes that had 
> >> moved up to setting fires and eating road-kill.  
> > 
> > A thousand years from now, and perhaps much sooner, we'll be existing
> > instantiated in a computational substrate with vastly enhanced
> > cognitive capabilities.  Unless, of course, suicidal religious
> 
> Bug Life, eh?  I've got a Samsung S2 with what looks to be a fungal
> pr bacterial infection spreading across the OLED substrate, so I wouldn't
> think we'll want to entirely abandon physical existence so quick...  if at all.

The thing about consumer gear is that it is built cheaply so they can
screw you harder in your wallet.  Quorum sensing, high-availability
fault-tolerant systems are what's required, not to mention better
software.  That Samsung S2 is designed to spy on you, not to be
reliable and rugged.
 
> > fanatics manage to perpetrate some sort of grotesque global tragedy --
> > and I'm not talking about Muslims.
> 
> Ah, you mean the *Robot Wars*?  There will certainly be some questions
> about what it is to be human in fairly short order.  The ReichWinge push 
> for a genetic definition of a "human" proceeds not merely from the desire 
> to constrain the Liberty of women but also out of a great fear of machines... Luddites.

Not necessarily.  The Terminator scenario assumes that a meaningful
fraction of autonomous robotics control systems will be subject to
subversion with malware, which is rather unlikely unless the chip fabs
get in on the game.  Biological warfare would be easier.  Perhaps the
Taliban take over, get rid of all the scientists and engineers and
then dictate primitive living arrangements for whomever is left over.
If you don't like the Taliban, substitute "Military" and "police".

I am amused to read grandiose space operas such as the Dread Empire
series by Walter Jon Williams where millenia from now, the human race
has spread through the Galaxy, but yet still age and die in the
traditional fashion.  The characters are invariably oblivious to this
glaring technological obscenity.  The Star Wars saga is similarly
marred.  Perhaps some writers have difficulty facing their own
mortality and are unable to write about advanced medicine with the
same ease with which they write of advanced weapons of war.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

-- 
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it
flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
  -- Friedrich Neitzsche