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Article #3019Re: An open post to Mark Schiavo
From: emeraldeyes.nyc
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:57
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:57
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On 24 Mar 2005 21:17:18 -0800, "Tom Barrister" <tombarrister@yahoo.com> wrote: >The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of >other people. > >Mark Schiavo: what's the hurry in killing your wife Terri? > >And please don't feed us the "She didn't want to live like this," >baloney. For one, I seriously doubt that she ever said that to you or >to anybody else. You never brought that up in the first seven-plus >years after she collapsed. Why not? If that was her wish, you should >have had the figurative plug pulled back in 1990 when it happened. >Certainly no later than 1992. Why did it take you seven years to >remember that? > >I'll tell you why. Because she never said it, Mark. It's your cop out. >You couldn't take it anymore. You couldn't handle the stress of the >situation any longer. So you decided to get rid of the inconvenience. >You claim to love her. You have a weird way of showing it---starving >her literally to death. And I understand that there's another woman in >your life. Terri's being alive isn't convenient for that situation, is >it? Better off killing the old girl off and getting it out of the way, >right? > >But it wasn't that simple, was it? Many others were opposed to it, >most notably her parents. So why didn't you turn Terri's custody over >to them and be done with it? Then you could do as you please with the >other woman. Would your conscience bother you then? > >Let's assume that you're doing this because you simply can't stand to >see her in this state anymore and that there isn't any ulterior motive >involved with the other woman (or women). Don't you understand that >there are still people who love your wife and want to see her continue >to live? Why can't you turn her over to them? They'd take care of >her. Assign guardianship to them. > >Instead, you've gotten stubborn about it. You're bound and determined >to have her killed off----and make no bones about it, that's exactly >what you're doing. This isn't a case of a person who has no brain wave >activity, who will die within seconds or minutes of a heart-lung >machine being disconnected, and who won't even know that it happened >because his/her brain is already dead. We're talking about a person >whose body is still functioning with the aid of feeding. True, she has >to be cared for, but so do millions of other people. Many elderly >people are that way. Most infants are that way. Should we kill all of >them, too? > >Please don't feed me the "She's in a persistent vegetative state." If >that doesn't matter to her parents, and if the state and/or private >sectors are willing to take care of her and relieve you of all >responsibility, why would it matter to you? > >I see that some experts think that she might be in a minimally >conscious state. Shouldn't that be looked into? Why are you so >insistent about killing Terri off? You've waited fifteen years. Why >would another few months matter? > >I understand the the courts have ruled that you're her guardian and can >decide matters such as removing her feeding tube. But just who >appointed you God here to decide whether she lives or dies? What's she >guilty of? Not being able to function normally on her own account? If >so, how about killing off all the learning-challenged people? How >about killing off all the elderly who need care? Why not end the lives >of all infants under the age of two? Most of those can't care for >themselves, either. > >What's the hurry, Mark? > >I've read that you haven't left her bedside since the feeding tube was >removed. Is that supposed to be a final gesture of love? Or are you >staying nearby to make sure nobody sneaks her food or water until she >dies of a lack of both? > >Whether you realize it or not, her death won't bring you peace. Far >from it. It will make things worse. You won't understand that until >after she's gone though. But trust me on this, Mark: I've been through >your situation twice with loved ones who were (in each case) in >supposedly irreversible states. I wanted to take the easy out like >you're doing. But I stuck it out both times. Once it worked out well >and the person came back to us and lived a reasonable life for a few >more years. The other time it didn't and the person passed on. It's >tough, but in retrospect, I realize that I made the right decision both >times. You haven't----yet. You seem so obsesed with ending this that >you won't listen to anybody who has an opposing view. You won't just >turn your wife over to your parents and be done with it. They'll love >her. They'll care for her. If they pass on while Terri's still alive, >others will gladly continue her care. > >In other words, Mark, you're not going to be out anything or >inconvenienced in any way by turning Terri over to your parents. By >not doing so and forcing her death, you're alienating not only Mr. and >Mrs. Schindler, but literally millions of others. I doubt anybody >would be majorly angry at you if you let Terri's feeding tube be >reconnected. But I shudder to think of all the people who will be very >unhappy with you if she dies from your imposed starvation. Or what >those people might do. > >If none of the above makes any sense to you, remember your marriage >vows that stated: > >"....to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, >for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to >cherish, till death do us part" > >"Better or worse", Mark. Not just "better". "Sickness and health". >Not just good health. In other words, you were supposed to stick it >out, even though times are bad. Not get rid of what you probably >perceive to be a problem and/or inconvenience because things aren't all >that rosy. > >Oh, and "till death do us part," doesn't mean that you're supposed to >hasten her death. Because you're essentially her executioner here. >And it just doesn't make sense to me no matter how its sugar >coated----it's still murder. > >Tom Barrister. > >(apologies if this appears more than once in any newsgroup) Who the hell is *Mark* Schiavo? -- "Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important person on earth to somebody. Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001 www.hillary-watch.org
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