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__ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Reality_Check�
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:37
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Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video

Watch the Video: 
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=6201569&version=1&locale=EN-US


Wednesday, April 02, 2008

 A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes at high 
speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an abutment, as seen 
on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.

The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed to the 
incident, United Press International reported.
In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a concrete 
guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming airborne and 
falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.

The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into a ditch 
along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver was hurt, 
according to the UPI report.

The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent diabetic, his 
brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to reporters as 
looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
"He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms hanging down 
at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.

The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's gone into 
hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.

"You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle; you don't 
know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces are what our 
officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson 
Karen Carlson told FOX News.

Autopsy results were expected later in the week. 
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MUR...
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:25
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We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
not everyone?
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: _ Prof. Jonez _
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> not everyone?

Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MUR...
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:40
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On Apr 3, 9:25 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>
> > We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> > not everyone?
>
> Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.

Now that just shows how dumb you are if you think sight is not
essential for driving!!!
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Robert Miles
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:16
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"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:fidcv3h3rkr8t2ahcrs489d66dlgj3mrrc@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdoc17@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating 
>>> >> > heavy
>>> >> > machinery.
>>> >>
>>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>> >
>>> >Yes.  However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>>> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>>> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>>> >incapacitating events.
>>>
>>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>>> you took his license away?
>>
>>The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>>that it would be constant.  Such a person would not pass the required
>>visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>
> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
> opportunity to drive legally - at least until his "episodes" became
> "frequent."
>
>>Truth is simple.
>
> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
> drive.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that many diabetics, especially if they're
the more common type 2, aren't likely to have any hypoglycemic comas. 
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: _ Prof. Jonez _
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:40
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M�ck�� wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:49:53 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal
>> accident?
>>
>
>
> about the same number as it would for you to kill someone while
> driving while you have the flu,

And your proof of this absurd assertion is what, exactly?


> a severe cold and taking cough syrup,

And your proof of this absurd assertion is what, exactly?

> etc.

And your proof of this absurd assertion is what, exactly?


> So because that is a very real possibility,

Just because you pull complete nonsense out of your ass
doesn't make it a "real possibility", "very" or otherwise, jackass.

> you driving while impaired, your license should be revoked now. you are a 
> menace to
> society.

You're lying again, jackass.
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: necromancer
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:40
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SFB spewed:

>On Apr 3, 9:25 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>> > We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
>> > not everyone?
>>
>> Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.
>
>Now that just shows how dumb you are if you think sight is not
>essential for driving!!!

Why not> You think that operational brakes are not essential to
driving....

--
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS," advocates 
driving a car with half of its braking system inoperative:

"If you drive slow and supplement the front brakes with
 transmission braking, you'll be fine -  as long as the
 front brakes don't spring a leak too. Big thing is
 drive slow."

  --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 4/4/08
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/5qzjgc
Msg ID: bb6b10f4-e9ae-495e-8449-d06fb1f99ba5@q10g2000prf.googlegroups.com
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Studemania
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:19
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On Apr 2, 9:25 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> not everyone?

Having ridden with my GF many miles (she has the nicer car - mine is a
1964 model) I will say that I have no fear about her having a diabetic
problem and being in an accident.
(She hasn't had one in over fifty years driving.)
I do worry about her not looking far enough ahead and following too
close, though, as I would with anyone.

Diabetes could be a problem with a driver ignorant of having it.
(Hey, OP, When was the last time your blood/sugar was tested?
GF does it several times a day,)
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: _ Prof. Jonez _
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:36
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Studemania wrote:
> On Apr 2, 9:25 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
>> not everyone?
>
> Having ridden with my GF many miles
<snip personal annecdote>

Why should Diabetics be allowed to drive?
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: Tiger_Lily
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:17
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Studemania wrote:
>> On Apr 2, 9:25 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>> <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
>>> not everyone?
>> Having ridden with my GF many miles
> <snip personal annecdote>
> 
> Why should Diabetics be allowed to drive?
> 
> 
> 
a better question would be 'why not' ?

ANYONE can have a sudden unexpected heart attack at the wheel of their 
vehicle, and kill the people in the car(s) they hit
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: _ Prof. Jonez _
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:36
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Tiger_Lily wrote:
> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Studemania wrote:
>>> On Apr 2, 9:25 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>>> <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so
>>>> why not everyone?
>>> Having ridden with my GF many miles
>> <snip personal annecdote>
>>
>> Why should Diabetics be allowed to drive?
>>
>>
>>
> a better question would be 'why not' ?

Why not drunks, epileptics and those under 16 yrs old ?


> ANYONE can have a sudden unexpected heart attack at the wheel of their
> vehicle, and kill the people in the car(s) they hit

Sure, and pigs might fly if they had wings.
Re: __ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <= should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __
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Author: ChrisCoaster
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:12
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On Apr 3, 11:25 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>
> > We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> > not everyone?
>
> Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.
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