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"Wally AngleseaT" wrote:

> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15862293-1242,00.html
> William Kamm "Little Pebble"Found Guilty of Sexual Assault


Good news!  Let's hope he gets put away for a decent period. 

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:48:56 +1000, "Mark T" <wwwwwh@tdoyoumean.017>
wrote:

>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote:
>
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15862293-1242,00.html
>> William Kamm "Little Pebble"Found Guilty of Sexual Assault
>
>
>Good news!  Let's hope he gets put away for a decent period. 
Sentencing is due in September.
--

Read all about Australia's biggets doomsday cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down"

The other issue concerns the clear misuse of the identity of the
"Virgin Mary" for licentious activity by Kamm which Judge John Williams

of the New South Wales District Court has established has occurred by
his judgment of today [cf:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0 ,10117,15864433-29277,00.html ].

Clearly such activity one would expect would offend the religious
sensivities of the Roman Catholic Church. The question is whether there
is an appropriate legislative equivalent within New South Waes as
Section 75(2) of the Victorian Equal Opportunity Act No. 42/1995 which
specifically allows the Church as a "body established for religious
purposes" to take action which "is necessary to avoid injury to the
religious sensitivities of the people of the religion."

In a world of many competing one true faiths, sharp doctrinal conflict,
divisiveness, and mutual "offensiveness" are, whether we like it or
not, facts of life. The inevitability of such conflicts and the need to
have an open debate about the risks of the repressive use of law in
protecting group sensitivities were again demonstrated when Former
Catholic Church archbishop Sir Frank Little and his replacement George
Pell of the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne had a measure of success
in objecting to the use of the business name, Virgin Mary's Bar, for a
homosexual bar in suburban Melbourne. [cf: Murdoch University
Electronic Journal of Law article - http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw
/issues/v8n2/maher82nf.html ; Herald Sun, 18, 19, 20 and 27 April 1996;
The Age, 3 July 1996]

Whether in the circumstances Cardinal Pell, will now be seen to take
fervent and appropriate ecclesiastical action to ensure that KAMM's
continued usage of the term "Virgin Mary" for licentious activity, is
appropriately publicly condemned--IT IS REMARKABLE THAT THE ROMAN
CATHOLIC COMMUNITY CAN SO TOLERANT AND DUPLICITOUS OF INTERNAL
EXCESSES, IN THAT WHEN IT IS ALLEGENDLY PERPETUATED BY OTHERS, THEY
HAVE SHOWN SUCH OUTRAGE--REPORTEDLY THE LARGEST PUBLIC SHOWING BEFORE
THE VICTORIAN CIVIL ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL.  That KAMM is
appropriately excommunicated for such blasphemous idolatry and if
necessary taken before the secular judicatory by Cardinal Pell to
prevent his further corporate exploitation of the term.

"The Catholic Church has once again dragged gay and lesbian bar Virgin
Mary's before a tribunal in an attempt to get the venue's name changed.


Former Catholic Church archbishop Sir Frank Little and his replacement
George Pell are named as two of the party leading the fight against
Virgin Mary's.

Since the bar first opened earlier this year (1996), Catholics have
bombarded both the Stonnington Council and the venue with complaints
about the name of the Commercial Road establishment, which they claim
is blasphemous.

A case against Virgin Mary's had already been thrown out by the
Victorian Security Commission after the found nothing offensive about
the name.

The Catholic Church, along with representatives of the Islamic
community, have now pursued the case with the Australian Security
Commission.

Three members of the commission, Graham MacDonald, David Elsun and Lula
Rodopoulos heard the case at the Administrative and Appeals Tribunal
earlier this week.

The hearing drew over sixty spectators, reportedly the largest public
showing for a tribunal case this year.

Counsellors representing the church groups presented photos showing
members of the drag nun organisation Sisters Of Perpetual Indulgence at
the Sydney Mardi Gras as evidence that the bar was an insult to
Catholics. Ian Sutherland, QC for Virgin Mary's, accused the church's
evidence as irrelevant and stood firm that the bar's name was not
offensive.

It is not known when the Commission will publish its findings. A
representative told Brother Sister "it could be anything from a week to
a month before the reserved decision is made".

Bill Tianoulas, owner of Virgin Mary's, says he is prepared to appeal
the decision if the finding is in favour of the church groups.

He said to Brother Sister, "Personally, I believe they (the Catholic
Church) are pursuing us only because we are a gay and lesbian
establishment."

The council is also interfering with the bar's name, forcing them to
keep Virgin Mary's neon sign covered until they have a separate hearing
to decide if its deemed offensive.

If the council find it offensive, the bar will be still be allowed to
trade under the name but will have to remove the sign and take the name
off their awnings." [cf: Andrew Mast Brother Sister newspaer, Queer
Resources Directory http://www.qrd.org/qrd/world/p
acific/australia/brother.siste r/09.05.96
]

I'm intrigued concerning the machinations of jurisprudence, having
etablished the sentencing court date of 16 September 2005, as there was
according to your earlier quoted news-article [cf:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0 ,10117,15864433-29277,00.html ],
evidence given as to "how Kamm's repeated calls to deepen the
relationship were reinforced by the Virgin Mary, according to divine
communications allegedly received by the Little Pebble and written in
the girl's prayer diary.

Judge John {grace or mercy of the Lord} Williams {valiant protector;
determined guardian} continued Kamm's {orange fruit, sweet, beloved,
referring to the sun} bail and set a sentencing date of September 16."

His hymeneal mysticism {ie. the girl should be chosen as one of 12
queens and 72 princesses who would become his mystical wives to spawn
an immaculate race after the world ended} as claimed Roman Catholic
religious belief appears to be indistinguishable from idolatry.

16 September
#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
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#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
#41     Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
#55     Abstruse Signs/ The Signet of the Mysterious

- dolf 
- <http://home.iprimus.com.au/tel os/kosmos.html>

On 8 Jul 2005 03:57:03 -0700, "Qolon" <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

<SNIP>

>
>Whether in the circumstances Cardinal Pell, will now be seen to take
>fervent and appropriate ecclesiastical action to ensure that KAMM's
>continued usage of the term "Virgin Mary" for licentious activity, is
>appropriately publicly condemned--IT IS REMARKABLE THAT THE ROMAN
>CATHOLIC COMMUNITY CAN SO TOLERANT AND DUPLICITOUS OF INTERNAL
>EXCESSES, IN THAT WHEN IT IS ALLEGENDLY PERPETUATED BY OTHERS, THEY
>HAVE SHOWN SUCH OUTRAGE--REPORTEDLY THE LARGEST PUBLIC SHOWING BEFORE
>THE VICTORIAN CIVIL ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL.  That KAMM is
>appropriately excommunicated for such blasphemous idolatry and if
>necessary taken before the secular judicatory by Cardinal Pell to
>prevent his further corporate exploitation of the term.


William Kamm is already excommunicated, Dolf, for many years.  Malcolm
Broussard is a fake bishop, and he too has been excommunicated. He is
unable to perform any duties as a priest or bishop. In fact, marriages
and baptisms have to be performed by a legal priest or a marriage
celebrant, and then Broussard performs a "mass".

By implication, all members of his cult are excommunicated.

Another fake bishop is James Duffy. James is the father of Grant, who
died many years ago. William has claimed that Grant will be
resurrected, and on one occasion that I know of, actually went to the
cemetery to try to resurrect him. After all this time, Grant Duffy is
a pile of bones, probably.

Jim Duffy used to be head of the "Warriors of St Michael", the
"paramilitary arm" of William's cult.

There are many fake priests and bishops in Williams cult Not one has
any actual faculties as a religious person In Kamms cult.

I shall begin to expose them all shortly, now that William himself has
been shown to be a person of doubtful reputation (the defence does
not, and did not contest that William sent inappropriate, sexually
suggestive letters to young girls - if a teacher, a priest or a
politician was to be found to behave in such a fashion, then the
result would be obvious).

 
--

Read all about Australia's biggets doomsday cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down"

On 8 Jul 2005 02:11:31 -0700, "Qolon" <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm intrigued concerning the machinations of jurisprudence, having
>established the sentencing court date of 16 September 2005, as there
>was according to your earlier quoted news-article, evidence given as to
>"how Kamm's repeated calls to deepen the relationship were reinforced
>by the Virgin Mary, according to divine communications allegedly
>received by the Little Pebble and written in the girl's prayer diary.
>
>Judge John {grace or mercy of the Lord} Williams {valiant protector;
>determined guardian} continued Kamm's {orange fruit, sweet, beloved,
>referring to the sun} bail and set a sentencing date of September 16."

I can't speak for the judge, Dolf. I would also rather that the matter
was completed quickly.

However, there must be no excuse for William to try to get a mistrial.


William is still appealing, however.
The defence has not argued about the reality of the sexually
suggestive letters or diary entries.  They argued that these were not
evidence that sexual assault had taken place.




>
>His hymeneal mysticism {ie. the girl should be chosen as one of 12
>queens and 72 princesses who would become his mystical wives to spawn
>an immaculate race after the world ended} as claimed Roman Catholic
>religious belief appears to be indistinguishable from idolatry.
>
>16 September
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#41	Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
>#55	Abstruse Signs/ The Signet of the Mysterious
>
>- dolf
>- <http://home.iprimus.com.au/telos/kosmos.html>
--

Read all about Australia's biggets doomsday cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down"

Thank-you for responding Wally and clarifying the situation.  As I said
(in poor grammar) it is remarkable that the Roman Catholic Church and
especially Pell in this instance, can so tolerate the duplicitousness
of internal excess {ie. KAMM's usage of the term "Virgin Mary" for
licentious activity}, in that when it is allegedly perpetuated by
others {ie. the sisters of perpetual indulgence associated with a bar
named 'Virgin Mary'}, they have shown such outrage--reportedly the
largest public showing before the relevant judicial authority.

Perhaps that a lack of differentiation being toleration of the abuse of
such religious icons, is because they are so alike--blasphemous
idolators!

- dolf

On 8 Jul 2005 06:05:35 -0700, "Qolon" <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thank-you for responding Wally and clarifying the situation.  As I said
>(in poor grammar) it is remarkable that the Roman Catholic Church and
>especially Pell in this instance, can so tolerate the duplicitousness
>of internal excess {ie. KAMM's usage of the term "Virgin Mary" for
>licentious activity}, in that when it is allegedly perpetuated by
>others {ie. the sisters of perpetual indulgence associated with a bar
>named 'Virgin Mary'}, they have shown such outrage--reportedly the
>largest public showing before the relevant judicial authority.

Oh, the Catholic Church *should* have been more outspoken about
William Kamm's behaviour, and *should* have been more forceful in
their condemnation of him.  

It's not as if they needed legal coverage to actually do something
more meaningful.


>
>Perhaps that a lack of differentiation being toleration of the abuse of
>such religious icons, is because they are so alike--blasphemous
>idolators!

Well, that's *your* view. :-)

The Catholic tradition doesn't actually suggest the Virgin Mary agrees
with sexual excess, and William Kamm is the only "seer" in Catholicism
who had sexual overtones in his "visions", and the only one who
referred to himself as the mystical spouse of the VM.
--

Read all about Australia's biggets doomsday cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down"