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Started by Patan�e pongpatchamnanou�te
Wed, 20 May 1998 00:00
Baclof�ne (baclofen) and Viagra /Le baclof�ne et le Viagra
Author: Patan�e pongpatchamnanou�te
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:00
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There is considerable propaganda,since sometimes,for Pfizer's Viagra. As has been said,often,Viagra is not a true aphrodisiac because it has no action on sexual desire but only on one mechanism of erection. Others substances have also stimulating effects on erection but have not been much researched(for example:Trazodone (Pragmarel,Trittico,trademarks),an Italian anti-depressant recently imitated in the USA,very probably for business reasons only(Nefadazone). On the other hand,baclof�ene ( baclofen )has been discovered to be a real "aphrodisiac",at least for men. These informations are given for scientific and educational purposes. C.Rifat(El-Sayed) Baclof�ne:La D�couverte d'un mol�cule qui intensifie le d�sir(Du Gamma-OH au Baclof�ne) Baclofene:The Discovery of A sex-stimulating molecule. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From GAMMA-HYDROXYBUTYRATE to BACLOFENE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ About I5 years ago I was studying the psychotropic effects of a remarkable molecule:gamma-hydroxybutyrate. In search for similar drugs acting by the activation of Tyrosine Hydroxylase I studied baclofene,a molecule known also as a Gaba B agonist(gamma-hydroxybutyrate was found later to be also a Gaba B agonist and also a Tryptophane Hydroxylase Activator,at pharmacological doses). At that time I was interested to know if the remarkable properties of gamma-hydroxybutyrate(Gamma-OH,Egic,Trademark)were a consequence of Tyrosine Hydroxylase activation so I,naturally,went to Baclofene(Lior�sal,Ciba-Geigy,Trademark). Description of some psychotropic effects of baclofene. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From comparisons between Gamma-OH and baclofene effects on the activity of Tyrosine Hydroxylase in the brain I postulated that a dose of about IOOmgr of baclofene might mimic the psychotropic effects of a dose of 2,5gr of Gamma-OH. We conducted then a set of experiments with baclofene(50 to 80 mgr per os) and,to our surprise,we did not find what we expected! In particular,Gamma-OH is the first representative of a novel class of molecules,the SOCIABILISERS,which,as their name indicate,enhance natural sociability in the human species.MDMA is another sociabiliser. It has been found that enhancing sociability gives rise to remarkable therapeuthic properties such as AUTHENTIC and very fast acting anti-depressant action, in association with anxiolysis. Gamma-OH seems,for instance,to very specifically suppress this feeling of despair found in depressed patients. Despair melts away "into thin-air" as would say someone and it is replaced by a strong feeling of happiness to be alive and enjoying life! Baclofene IS NOT a Sociabiliser though it can stimulate mood.It was even used by one person as an anti-depressant,during 4 months,at a dosage of IOOmgr a day despite the fact that the litterature says that baclofene can induce depressive episodes. In fact it seems it may have both effects,depending on individuals,which is something to be studied more in depth. The first thing that experimenters found with baclofene was this mood stimulating effect. The second thing that they found was a sex stimulating effect which was not at all predicted! Baclofene stimulated sexual desire and the abilities to achieve copulation. It also induced a sense of confidence which helped the individual to achieve copulation. Self-confidence is a dopaminergic effect which can also be demonstrated with a dopaminergic re-uptake blocker such as AMINEPTINE(Survector). But,contrary to baclofene,amineptine does not stimulate sex oriented behaviours. Contrary also to Gamma-OH(which is always a strong anxiolytic if taken against panic attacks)baclofene was found to be a potential anxiogenic molecule. With 50 to 80mgr of baclofene there is a general mood enhancement together with an enhancement of sexual desire and abilities. A woman suddenly appears more like only a female to be used for sex! The emotional factor called love and which is so prominent under Gamma-OH does not appear with baclofene in this dose range.So there are some fundamental differences between Gamma-OH and baclofene. Making love under baclofene is a very sensual,rather animalistic experience! A woman is just sensed as a female only and you sense yourself,equally,as a male only,not a lover. Making love with your girlfriend or wife,suddenly,,just appears like enjoying eating a good cake! Baclofene does not seem to induce sexual effects in women.But this remains to be determined more adequately. Baclofene can make you obsessional about sex and you may exhaust yourself with sensuality up to the point of being fed up of exhaustion or migraine.It is a bit like if you felt always hungry for sex even after copulation. I would like to urge other researchers to study the sexual enhancing properties of baclofene as this could lead to novel therapeuthics and knowledge concerning sexual dysfunctions. The ambivalent depressogenic or anti-depressant effects of baclofene should,equally,be studied in order to understand why Gamma-OH is only an anti-depressant and anxiolytic while baclofene can be depressogenic( according to the litterature) and strongly anxiogenic. Side-effects of baclofene ----------------------------------- These can be found in the litterature but one side-effect which is NOT mentionned is interaction with alcool.This interaction is disastrous. Alcool should be completely avoided otherwise the combination gives rise to an anti-abuse effect with vomitting and other very unpleasant effects. One side-effect of baclofene taken continuously for weeks or months is slight paranoia or enhancement of self-confidence. Baclofene can be a nasty molecule in people with neurological or psychotic problems and,also,in aged people. So these people should completely avoid baclofene unless under medical supervision and at very low doses. Baclofene is totally contra-indicated if there is any concomittant treatment with opiates as it can increase respiratory depression and lead to accidental death. Doses larger than 50 to 60 mgr per day should be totally avoided unless an appropriate therapeuthic environment(such as hospitals,research centres)is provided. This information is given for scientific research purposes only. The author does NOT encourage at all non-scientists to use baclofene for non-scientific purposes and is not responsible for any misguided use of this substance. Le baclof�ne est un produit Ciba-Geigy (Lior�sal). Il existe un analogue,en Russie,nomm� le F�nibut,utilis� comme anti-d�presseur.
Re: Baclof�ne (baclofen)
Author: michael wyllie
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:00
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Interpretation of these studies is complicated. How do you assess desire in the population. There is no reliable (validated )m means. Also remeber that almost 1/3 of patients may respond to any treatment for ED due to the placebo effect. Dr Mike WYllie urodoc@dial.pipex.com Patan�e pongpatchamnanou�te <patanie@pasdepubhotmail.com> wrote in article <35624243.194137@news.twics.com>... > There is considerable propaganda,since sometimes,for Pfizer's Viagra. > As has been said,often,Viagra is not a true aphrodisiac because it has > no action on sexual desire but only on one mechanism of erection. > Others substances have also stimulating effects on erection but have > not been much researched(for example:Trazodone > (Pragmarel,Trittico,trademarks),an Italian anti-depressant recently > imitated in the USA,very probably for business reasons > only(Nefadazone).
Re: Baclof�ne (baclofen) and Viagra /Le baclof�ne et le Viagra
Author: George
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:00
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On Wed, 20 May 1998 02:39:04 GMT, patanie@pasdepubhotmail.com (Patan�e pongpatchamnanou�te) wrote: >Baclofene(Lior�sal,Ciba-Geigy,Trademark). >We conducted then a set of experiments with baclofene(50 to 80 mgr per >os) and,to our surprise,we did not find what we expected! Baclofen is a terrible drug, loaded with side effects. A 100 mg single dose is very high, and not well tolerated. If GHB resembles this, count me out. Far from being a sex enhancing drug, it's action is usually to cause difficult and soft erections. Until recently it was the only drug for MS or spinal injury caused spasticity. Patients are started on 5-10mg, TID or QID until the side effects lessen. Sure as hell 100mgs before bedding your partner is not a good idea.... George
Re: Baclof�ne (baclofen) and Viagra /Le baclof�ne et le Viagra
Author: frank
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:00
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i couldn't agree more with your assessment of that drug. i'm a quadriplegic using it for muscle spasms. my ex-wife has ms and uses it and it messed up both of us. it dulls the senses. how can anything that relaxes your mind to mush help your dick? of course, if you want to fall asleep during the act you could try it. George wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 1998 02:39:04 GMT, patanie@pasdepubhotmail.com (Patan�e > pongpatchamnanou�te) wrote: > > >Baclofene(Lior�sal,Ciba-Geigy,Trademark). > > >We conducted then a set of experiments with baclofene(50 to 80 mgr per > >os) and,to our surprise,we did not find what we expected! > > Baclofen is a terrible drug, loaded with side effects. A 100 mg single > dose is very high, and not well tolerated. If GHB resembles this, > count me out. Far from being a sex enhancing drug, it's action is > usually to cause difficult and soft erections. Until recently it was > the only drug for MS or spinal injury caused spasticity. Patients are > started on 5-10mg, TID or QID until the side effects lessen. Sure as > hell 100mgs before bedding your partner is not a good idea.... > > George
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